RADIO CALL — TAPE #755 EXCERPT
Q: Mark Russell Bell
J: James Trietsch, engineer/board operator for “The Lee Klein Show”
L: Lee Klein, host of “The Lee Klein Show”
P: Peter Davenport, guest
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I CALLED “THE LEE KLEIN SHOW” ON OCTOBER 12, 2002. I SUPPLEMENTED THE RECORDING OF MY PHONE CALL WITH TAPES OF THE BROADCAST MADE ON MY RADIO CASSETTE RECORDER. WHEN I SPOKE TO THE SHOW OPERATOR, THE BROADCAST COULD BE HEARD IN THE BACKGROUND YET SPECIFIC WORDS WEREN’T AUDIBLE.)
J: KFI. Hello.
Q: Oh hello?
J: Yes.
Q: Yes, (“I”) I had a comment on the fear of — why people don’t want to talk about UFOs.
J: Okay. And your reason being? (“YEAH”)
Q: Well the reason is — has to do with anything that involves what isn’t readily understandable makes someone — confronts someone with their morality and their moral choices. (pause) I have a lot of experience in this field.
J: Okay. So the reason why the government doesn’t want . . . (“IT”)
Q: The reason why the g(overnment) — people in the government don’t feel comfortable being honest about it is because to do so is to put this in the same category of God and anything that isn’t understandable. And it makes someone look at their own moral choices throughout their lives.
J: Alright. What’s your name?
Q: Mark.
J: From where?
Q: Canoga Park. (“THEY’RE LYING”)
J: Hold the phone.
L: — chastised for taking that trip to Iraq. Alright, we are at the bottom of the hour. I’m going to open up the phone lines. (gives number) That is outside of Los Angeles County and outside of California. And, of course, locally here in Los Angeles (gives number). Peter Davenport is our guest. I’m Lee Kline and you’re listening to KFI AM 640, more stimulating talk radio . . . Let’s go to Canoga Park and talk to Mark. Mark, (BEEP) (you’re on with) Peter Davenport.
Q: Good evening, Lee and Peter. I thought it was interesting (“WHEN THE”) that previous caller said it had nothing to do with religion. I think this hits people in a very sensitive area. Anything having to d(o) — to deal with something unexplained or outside what they understand in their day-to-day reality I believe makes them — confronts them with their morality choices. And in our society that’s something that I’ve seen when I’ve done interviews in this field. People don’t want to question why they’re working for an aerospace company that might have — be making — profiting from possibly targeting aliens at some point in the future as a menace. Almost like the Iron Mountain Boys from way back when. There are many different issues here. (“BUT”) It does confront people with their own decisions and their own life experiences.
L: And it certainly does reflect — and we mentioned that earlier. Religion — even to agnostics, it has to play some part in your belief system to believe in God and then in a separate issue believe in extraterrestrials, UFOs, crop circles, things of that nature that are (line disconnected) foreign to that particular world that we live in and to what the Bible or whatever it is you believe in says.
P: Yeah. Yeah, I — I agree with the caller’s comment. Given the fact that we do not know what we are dealing with. I certainly do not, Lee. All my knowledge in the UFO field not withstanding, I’m not sure I know what I’m dealing with.
L: But you know it is there.
P: It is there. There is no doubt of that in my mind. I think we are discussing — we’re (or “WE’RE”) — in discussing UFOs, we are dealing with something that is the stuff of philosophies. And the stuff of religions, if you will. There appears to be — to be some kind of fundamental relationship between these things that we call UFOs and human beings; perhaps, all life systems on this planet. We haven’t even come close to understanding what that is. We don’t yet know how many alien species we may be dealing with. My suspicion is (“THAT”) when — in the final analysis, when we know everything about this phenomenon, we will recognize (“THAT”) there is not only life in our galaxy, (“BUT”) there are a myriad of . . . of intelligent life in our galaxy. My suspicion is that the diversity of intelligent life in the Milky Way galaxy and—no doubt, in other parts of the universe as well—is broader — the complexity and diversity of that life is broader than what we see in the biological world on this planet: everywhere from retrovirus to blue whales. That is what I think we are dealing with but I cannot prove it yet and I’m not sure, despite what many ufologists say who claim they know these objects come from the Pleiades or Alpha Centauri, I’m not sure anybody on this planet outside of our governments knows the answer to that question.
L: I’m not even so sure our governments know either. Maybe that’s what they are afraid of.
P: That’s my suspicion too. It is —
L: They are in the closet and in — with the lights of just as we are.
P: That may well be the case. It may be why they’re being so cautious; why they don’t want us thinking about this phenomenon. I can only guess. But (or “BUT”) the problem that the government has now is it clearly has been lying to the American people at least since 1947.
L: About the existence itself.
P: About the UFO phenomenon. How are they going to change that without engendering a lasting bitterness in the American people? After all, this issue cuts — (“TO”) the question of religion: whence we’ve come, whither we go in this universe. And how is the government going to justify denying the American people access to information that has bearing on the issue of religion. That’s almost a constitutional issue.
L: And — right, exactly. Exactly what I was just going to say. And for 60 years, if not more. . . .
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) Well it wasn’t very polished. I didn’t really have much time to plan. And I’m always so worried about being cut off. In fact, I was cut off then too before I really would have — I would’ve liked to make some more comments. But maybe it’s best that I didn’t. I would’ve liked to say that these experiences also make us examine our dogma. And, perhaps, (“O”) well the Black Mountain — I mean the Iron Mountain Boys. Anyone who’s gone to the UFO conventions and all these Internet websites—where there is a calculated effort to make extraterrestrials seem menacing—knows (“THAT”) there is an agenda here. Recently there’ve been several articles on the Internet suggesting an alien murder. Of course, these were all proven to be hoaxes eventually. But when you hear a contactee talk about the aliens being spiritually advanced — when they mention, perhaps, that they have androids working as slaves, it just shows the moral issues that haven’t been looked at.
( . . . )
Q: Well I’m still listening to the show and I can’t understand how Peter Davenport could think that that recent alien crop glyph is legitimate. Notice I didn’t call it a crop circle. I don’t have much time to study each crop circle. And the first time I saw it I groaned. But I did a little bit of checking on the Internet and there were many suspicious that occurred. Somebody found — I can’t remember: some kind of nightscope or something in the area and, recently, Linda Howe mentioned on Art Bell’s show that it wasn’t all done at one time. Anyway — from what I understand, the crop wasn’t even circular. Not to mention whether or not it’s been genetically analyzed because, of course, that would be something that could be altered. You never know if the samples come from which circle or glyph. It would be easy to do a switch. Anyway, that’s what’s happened to the crop circles.
J: KFI. Hello.
Q: Oh hello?
J: Yes.
Q: Yes, (“I”) I had a comment on the fear of — why people don’t want to talk about UFOs.
J: Okay. And your reason being? (“YEAH”)
Q: Well the reason is — has to do with anything that involves what isn’t readily understandable makes someone — confronts someone with their morality and their moral choices. (pause) I have a lot of experience in this field.
J: Okay. So the reason why the government doesn’t want . . . (“IT”)
Q: The reason why the g(overnment) — people in the government don’t feel comfortable being honest about it is because to do so is to put this in the same category of God and anything that isn’t understandable. And it makes someone look at their own moral choices throughout their lives.
J: Alright. What’s your name?
Q: Mark.
J: From where?
Q: Canoga Park. (“THEY’RE LYING”)
J: Hold the phone.
L: — chastised for taking that trip to Iraq. Alright, we are at the bottom of the hour. I’m going to open up the phone lines. (gives number) That is outside of Los Angeles County and outside of California. And, of course, locally here in Los Angeles (gives number). Peter Davenport is our guest. I’m Lee Kline and you’re listening to KFI AM 640, more stimulating talk radio . . . Let’s go to Canoga Park and talk to Mark. Mark, (BEEP) (you’re on with) Peter Davenport.
Q: Good evening, Lee and Peter. I thought it was interesting (“WHEN THE”) that previous caller said it had nothing to do with religion. I think this hits people in a very sensitive area. Anything having to d(o) — to deal with something unexplained or outside what they understand in their day-to-day reality I believe makes them — confronts them with their morality choices. And in our society that’s something that I’ve seen when I’ve done interviews in this field. People don’t want to question why they’re working for an aerospace company that might have — be making — profiting from possibly targeting aliens at some point in the future as a menace. Almost like the Iron Mountain Boys from way back when. There are many different issues here. (“BUT”) It does confront people with their own decisions and their own life experiences.
L: And it certainly does reflect — and we mentioned that earlier. Religion — even to agnostics, it has to play some part in your belief system to believe in God and then in a separate issue believe in extraterrestrials, UFOs, crop circles, things of that nature that are (line disconnected) foreign to that particular world that we live in and to what the Bible or whatever it is you believe in says.
P: Yeah. Yeah, I — I agree with the caller’s comment. Given the fact that we do not know what we are dealing with. I certainly do not, Lee. All my knowledge in the UFO field not withstanding, I’m not sure I know what I’m dealing with.
L: But you know it is there.
P: It is there. There is no doubt of that in my mind. I think we are discussing — we’re (or “WE’RE”) — in discussing UFOs, we are dealing with something that is the stuff of philosophies. And the stuff of religions, if you will. There appears to be — to be some kind of fundamental relationship between these things that we call UFOs and human beings; perhaps, all life systems on this planet. We haven’t even come close to understanding what that is. We don’t yet know how many alien species we may be dealing with. My suspicion is (“THAT”) when — in the final analysis, when we know everything about this phenomenon, we will recognize (“THAT”) there is not only life in our galaxy, (“BUT”) there are a myriad of . . . of intelligent life in our galaxy. My suspicion is that the diversity of intelligent life in the Milky Way galaxy and—no doubt, in other parts of the universe as well—is broader — the complexity and diversity of that life is broader than what we see in the biological world on this planet: everywhere from retrovirus to blue whales. That is what I think we are dealing with but I cannot prove it yet and I’m not sure, despite what many ufologists say who claim they know these objects come from the Pleiades or Alpha Centauri, I’m not sure anybody on this planet outside of our governments knows the answer to that question.
L: I’m not even so sure our governments know either. Maybe that’s what they are afraid of.
P: That’s my suspicion too. It is —
L: They are in the closet and in — with the lights of just as we are.
P: That may well be the case. It may be why they’re being so cautious; why they don’t want us thinking about this phenomenon. I can only guess. But (or “BUT”) the problem that the government has now is it clearly has been lying to the American people at least since 1947.
L: About the existence itself.
P: About the UFO phenomenon. How are they going to change that without engendering a lasting bitterness in the American people? After all, this issue cuts — (“TO”) the question of religion: whence we’ve come, whither we go in this universe. And how is the government going to justify denying the American people access to information that has bearing on the issue of religion. That’s almost a constitutional issue.
L: And — right, exactly. Exactly what I was just going to say. And for 60 years, if not more. . . .
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) Well it wasn’t very polished. I didn’t really have much time to plan. And I’m always so worried about being cut off. In fact, I was cut off then too before I really would have — I would’ve liked to make some more comments. But maybe it’s best that I didn’t. I would’ve liked to say that these experiences also make us examine our dogma. And, perhaps, (“O”) well the Black Mountain — I mean the Iron Mountain Boys. Anyone who’s gone to the UFO conventions and all these Internet websites—where there is a calculated effort to make extraterrestrials seem menacing—knows (“THAT”) there is an agenda here. Recently there’ve been several articles on the Internet suggesting an alien murder. Of course, these were all proven to be hoaxes eventually. But when you hear a contactee talk about the aliens being spiritually advanced — when they mention, perhaps, that they have androids working as slaves, it just shows the moral issues that haven’t been looked at.
( . . . )
Q: Well I’m still listening to the show and I can’t understand how Peter Davenport could think that that recent alien crop glyph is legitimate. Notice I didn’t call it a crop circle. I don’t have much time to study each crop circle. And the first time I saw it I groaned. But I did a little bit of checking on the Internet and there were many suspicious that occurred. Somebody found — I can’t remember: some kind of nightscope or something in the area and, recently, Linda Howe mentioned on Art Bell’s show that it wasn’t all done at one time. Anyway — from what I understand, the crop wasn’t even circular. Not to mention whether or not it’s been genetically analyzed because, of course, that would be something that could be altered. You never know if the samples come from which circle or glyph. It would be easy to do a switch. Anyway, that’s what’s happened to the crop circles.
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