RADIO INTERVIEW — TAPE #763
Q: Mark Russell Bell
L: Lou Gentile, “The Lou Gentile Show”
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE ABOUT TAPES #763-766: I WAS SCHEDULED TO BE A GUEST ON “THE LOU GENTILE SHOW” A FEW DAYS PRIOR TO THE NOVEMBER 27TH BOOKING DATE AND PROVIDED THE SAME BRIEF BIO RECENTLY PREPARED FOR “NMB LIVE.” I HAD SENT A NEWS RELEASE WITH THE HEADING “AVAILABLE FOR INTERVIEW [NEWS RELEASE ABOUT MYSELF]” VIA EMAIL TO THE LOUGENTILE.COM WEBSITE AFTER DISCOVERING THE PROGRAM THROUGH AN INTERNET SEARCH. IN TRANSCRIBING THE INTERVIEW, I USED MY TAPE RECORDED VIA TELEPHONE ALONG WITH A TAPE RECORDED OF THE ARCHIVE EDITION OF THE SHOW. I NOTICED THAT A FEW WORDS HERE AND THERE OCCASIONALLY WERE NOT AUDIBLE ON ONE OR THE OTHER OF THE TAPES. THE ARCHIVE EDITION OF THE SHOW OFFERED APPROXIMATELY TWO ADDITIONAL HOURS THAT I HAD NOT PREVIOUSLY KNOWN ABOUT, INCLUDING POST-INTERVIEW COMMENTARY AND LISTENER REACTIONS. THE ARCHIVE EDITION OF THIS INTERVIEW CAN BE HEARD VIA REALPLAYER AT THE NOVEMBER 2002 SECTION OF “THE LOU GENTILE SHOW” ARCHIVES AT HTTP://WWW.LOUGENTILE.COM/NOV02.HTML.)
Q: Hello?
L: Yeah. Mark, please.
Q: This is Mark.
L: Mark, it’s Lou Gentile.
Q: Hi, (“GG”) Lou.
L: How are you doing?
Q: Very good.
L: Alright. I’m going to give you a toll-free number you can call.
Q: Okay. Ready.
L: Alright, it’s (gives number)
Q: Yeah. Okay. (repeats last four digits)
L: Give me a ring. Give me a call right back and it’ll dump you into the show. You’ll be able to hear everything and will start probably about eight after.
Q: Okay, very good.
L: Alright?
Q: Alright.
L: Okay, hang on. (“I”)
Q: Okay, bye.
L: Bye.
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L: Hello.
Q: Here I am.
L: Alright. Very good. Okay, just hang on and we’ll go ahead and, you know, anything particular you want to bring up tonight?
Q: Well I think what I’ll (“AA”) — I usually start by just relating the events that happened to me.
L: Okay. Now for the most part we’re going to be talking about near-death experience?
Q: No. Paranormal phenomena leading to a case of — what’s the — how should I say it? Expanded consciousness via the Angelic?
L: Okay.
Q: Okay.
L: Yeah. No problem. Alright, hang on, okay?
Q: Okay.
L: Alright.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I LISTENED TO MUSIC WHILE ON HOLD. I TURNED ON MY TAPE RECORDER WHENEVER I HEARD LOU AGAIN. AT FIRST I WASN’T SURE IF HE WAS SPEAKING TO ME SO I REPLIED.)
L: . . . about ten minutes.
Q: Very good.
L: Tonight we’re going to be speaking with Mark Russell Bell about paranormal activity, talking poltergeists, spirit world and angelic beings. We return about ten minutes.
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Q: Okay.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I WAS UNABLE TO HEAR CLEARLY THE SHOW’S INTRODUCTORY MONTAGE OF SOUND CLIPS, MUSIC AND COMMENTARY AT THIS POINT AND AT SOME LATER INTERVALS. THESE ARE ALSO UNABLE TO BE HEARD ON THE ARCHIVE EDITION OF THE SHOW.)
L: And good evening, ladies and gentlemen, you’re listening live to “The Lou Gentile Show.” Tonight we’re going to be speaking with Mark Russell Bell and he is an author, researcher and Hollywood publicity manager. We’re going to be talking about talking poltergeists, paranormal activity, the spirit world, God and the Bible, as well as angelic beings — should prove to be very interesting. And for further information about him you can visit his website at www.testament.org. That’s T — E — S — T — A — M — E — N — T dot org. And you can also visit our website for the latest in paranormal news as well as hundreds upon hundreds of paranormal photographs, videos, audio recordings and more at www dot L — O — U — G — E — N — T — I — L — E dot com. That’s L — O — U — G — E — N — T — I — L — E dot com. Now there you can also find that we have seven independent Internet streams that you can listen in over the Net as well as two free video feeds. Find out what’s going on in the studio and hundreds of archives. And the archives are going to be updated over the next couple of days so like last night’s show and, I don’t know, the last couple of — couple of nights’ shows and the Halloween show and all kinds of other shows will be back up or will be up because I have to actually move some files over to another hard drive because I ran out of space on this one drive. So anyway that’s what’s happened with that. But, anyway, if you check out the website you can find out more. Now we have a new toll-free number. I gave it out last night but I’m going to give it out again so (you) might want to write this down. This is our permanent toll-free number, which is (gives number). That’s (gives number). And that’s made possible by Northstar Technologies. You can visit their website at www.northstar-technologies.com. That’s for all your long distance needs. And they do Internet and all kinds of other things so it’s pretty cool. You’ll be hearing more about them coming up in the show later on. Probably next week — be starting next week. Tomorrow night coming up on the show so that everybody’s aware, we’re going to be bringing back a veteran to “The Lou Gentile Show,” Mark Macy. Mark is involved with Inner — Int — bbhh — Instrumental Trans Communication. And what’s Instrumental Trans Communication? It’s sort of like EVPs but he does it a little bit different and he’s going to be sharing a lot of his audio samples that he has for us tomorrow night. And, just as always, Mark brings some very, very interesting perspective to the spirit world and what’s on the other side. We’ll return to “The Lou Gentile Show” after we take this short break right after this. (commercials for IBC’s “Stock Talk Live,” International Broadcasting Corporation and IBC’s cultmoviesonline.com) And good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to “The Lou Gentile Show.” Tonight we’re going to be speaking with Mark Russell Bell, author, researcher and Hollywood publicity manager. Now we’re — we’re going to be talking about some very interesting topics tonight. One of them is talking poltergeists as well as paranormal activity. And then we’re also going to go into a little bit about the spirit world, God, the Bible, and angelic beings. And let’s bring Mark on the line. Mark, welcome to the show.
Q: Good evening, Lou.
L: Good evening.
Q: Yeah, I was thinking as I was listening to you — (“AA”) when my experiences culminated, it definitely meant for me leaving behind my career in Hollywood.
L: Um-huh.
Q: And, as you said, it all started when I was researching talking poltergeists through history. I had done a screenplay based on the famous Bell Witch case and while doing that I found out that there were some other poltergeist cases where the talking aspect was pronounced so I ended up researching all of them.
L: How many different cases did you find that there were talking poltergeists?
Q: I would say at least eight. There were three primary ones that I really concentrated on.
L: What were they?
Q: The Bell — the Bell Witch, of course.
L: Uh-huh.
Q: Then there was The Haunting of Cashen’s Gap, which concerned the famous Gef the talking mongoose that Harry Price and R. S. Lambert wrote about, which really (“WW”) was more of a poltergeist than a talking mongoose. It claimed to be a talking mongoose. I(t) (or “I[T]”) — the Spirit also at one point claimed to be “the fifth dimension,” “the eighth wonder of the world” and said that the Entity could “split the atom.”
L: Oh jeese.
Q: And another case that I researched was in 1839 so that was soon following the Bell Witch — the original Bell Witch haunting. Family members did say that the Bell Witch did return later to leave some discourses. (“BUT”) This Mary Jobson case is probably not very well known. I found out about the case and was able to get the manuscript by W. Reid Clanny—he — he was a doctor—from Harvard. And in that case — well here, I — (“HAVE”) some of my notes. Some of the things that the talking poltergeist said — it — this was more of a case that involved religious aspects.
L: Okay.
Q: “WILL YOU STRIVE AGAINST GOD,” which is a pretty prophetic way to begin.
L: Um-huh.
Q: Here — I’ll just read from Clanny’s manuscript:
“I AM HE WHO THOU KNOWEST NOT. BE NOT DECEIVED FOR YOU KNOW NOT WHO I AM. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING. I TOLD YOUR CHILD THAT SHE WAS GOING TO HAVE A LONG ILLNESS, AND THAT I WAS GOING TO WORK A MIRACLE WITH HER. SHE IS LIKE YOUNG SAMUEL WHO KEPT HIS FATHER’S LAWS FOR WHEN YOU DESIRED HER TO SAY HER PRAYERS AND GO TO SLEEP, SHE OBEYED; AND WHEN THE REMAINDER OF THE FAMILY WAS IN SLEEP, SHE WOULD ARISE AND ON HER KNEES PRAY WITHOUT CEASING TO HER FATHER IN HEAVEN. THERE WILL BE MANY THAT WILL COME HERE WHO WILL NOT BELIEVE IN THIS. SOME WILL BELIEVE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE WITH GOD. (“BUT”) BUT BLESSED ARE THEY WHO MAY NOT HEAR NOR SEE AND YET BELIEVE.”
Q: In one case, a visitor named Jemima Elizabeth Gauntlett visited and the voice said — called her name and said, “WHO DO YOU THINK I AM. ANSWER.” And she said that she believed that the son of God spoke. And the voice replied, “YES, I KNOW THAT YOU DO SO BELIEVE.” Soon after that, she heard a strange voice at the top of the sick child’s bed which said, “DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS.” She answered that she did not know what it was. The voice then said, “IT IS THE VOICE OF YOUR BROTHER WHO DIED IN MARCH, 1822 WHEN HE WAS FIFTEEN AND A HALF YEARS OF AGE.”
L: Now where was this voice reported to be coming from?
Q: Just in the — the room itself around —
L: Thin air, right?
Q: Right. (“IT”) Other — (“AT TI”) other times during the case it seemed as if the chi(ld) — the child became a speaking “trumpet” and spoke to people. And there were some exchanges listed there. One of the — in fact, when I was researching this after researching the other poltergeist cases, there was one portion attributed to a Robert B. Embleton and there wa(s) — it said, “MARK,” which was my name — dash “I AM” thy (my mistake) — THEY GOD” — not thy God but T — H — E — Y God “SOUNDING OUT OF THE HEAVENS.” And it just seemed like the poltergeist was speaking directly to me at that point. There were other voices, such as one — one voice claimed to be the Virgin Mary. And then the child’s uncle. (“LIKE”) I guess the late uncle was speaking. And It was recreating the voices of these spirits as I would find in other cases.
[2021 UPDATE: THIS IS ONE OF SEVERAL INTERVIEWS WHEN I INCORRECTLY QUOTED "THEY GOD." ACTUALLY THE TEXT OF THE BOOK READS "THY GOD." MY PRONOUNCEMENT OF "THEY GOD" IS DUE TO FINDING THE WORDS IN MY COMPUTER FILE ALTERED FROM 'THY' TO 'THEY' ON AT LEAST ONE OCCASION.]
L: Have you ever come across the Enfield Poltergeist case?
Q: I read a little bit about it. (“BUT I”) I don’t think the speaking voice was prominent in that one.
L: Oh yes it was.
Q: Oh really? What did it — what were some of the things that were said?
L: Well I have got a treat for you tonight. I’m going to actually play an excerpt of some very rare audio files from that case. So coming up later on in the show I’ll play a 20-minute — it’s about fifteen minutes or so — of an excerpt of exactly what happened with that case. It was probably one of the most documented speaking poltergeists in history.
Q: Okay.
L: Believe it or not.
Q: Yeah, I remember — I remember reading a little bit about it but it — it wasn’t one of the ones that I concentrated on and I don’t really remember the reasons why. Of course, there were some cases like the William Morse case where there were a few sentences said.
L: Um-huh.
Q: And the same thing with a little known case in Pavia that was recorded by Ludovico Maria Sinistrari. And, of course, there was the Drummer of Tedworth case where at one point the voice was heard repeating the words “A WITCH A WITCH A WITCH” over and over again. And in my case when I was quite young when I was five or six I heard a voi(ce) — a disembodied voice calling my name when I was living (“I[N]”) in an apartment in Pasadena. And that was one of the first experiences I had that really helped (“ME”) to become interested in the unexplained.
L: Now what do you think poltergeists are? (“I MEAN UM”) We have a lot of definitions out there but you personally? What do you believe they are?
Q: Well in terms of my experience the — what — well, see, I went to this house in — in Centrahoma. (“WHERE”) There was a TV documentary on them called “Ghosts, Psychics, Mediums: Put To The Test.” I don’t know if you saw it. It was back in 1995. And —
L: Yeah.
Q: Of course, at that point they were calling it a — a poltergeist. It was really an amassing of different spirit voices and, in fact, some alien voices that were manifesting in this house, along with objects materializing. So this was a contemporary case of ‘talking poltergeists.’
L: Um-huh.
Q: So I — when I had finished my manuscript at the time — (“OF”) talking poltergeists so I thought, “Well this is a perfect opportunity for me.” I was working at Paramount Pictures at the time. I had been on staff (“FOR”) a number of years and then I became a freelance — working predominantly with them. And I decided to go for a long weekend and interview this family. And I experienced so many unusual experiences and I learned so many interesting anecdotes that I ended up just publishing the interviews verbatim as the beginning of my book so people could see how I would respond to experiencing such things as spirit voices. A nail hit me in the head and bounced off.
L: Um-huh.
Q: Very — very bizarre — insect events. When I called my twin brother from the motel that evening just to let him know what was going on (“YI”) — I guess he was asleep and I woke him up. And he answered the phone groggily. (“AN”) And I was beginning to tell him and he then said, “My bed is shaking.”
L: Hmm.
Q: And — and I — so I the next day I told the family — I said, “That’s not possible, is it?” (“BUT”) I soon realized that what they were calling a poltergeist — even though the fam(ily) — the family didn’t really call the Entity a poltergeist. It was the TV producers.
L: Um-huh.
Q: They really thought that it was — there were more alien aspects to the presence. In fact, (“IN”) in the special there was a heat sensitive film of a profile in a window that looked sort of alien but (or “BUT”) the producers themselves had such a difficult time with the subject that they themselves tried to explain it away by saying it was the shadow of a neigh(bor) (“I”) — I mean they made up this nonsensical solution much like what science does when confronted with something that it can’t otherwise explain. And at the very end of the show, the — the main (“HH”) interviewer was saying, “Michael” — that was the name that — that they gave — the nickname they assigned the gamut of the different voices, (“AND THE”) the experiences. There was also one particular entity that would hold conversations with people. So there was a ‘Michael’ but they would just call all the various spirits ‘Michael.’ But sometimes they would assign specific names like Leada (I mispronounced the name) — ‘Leader’ or Sarah and what-have-you. And they would tell various stories.
L: Alright. I’ve got to take a short break.
Q: Okay.
L: So let’s hold it right there. And we’ll be back to “The Lou Gentile Show” after we take this short break. Speaking tonight with Mark Russell Bell. We’ll be right back after this.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE COMMERCIAL BREAK PREVENTED ME FROM MENTIONING THAT AT THE END OF THE SEGMENT OF THE SPECIAL SET IN CENTRAHOMA, THE INTERVIEWER WAS SHOWN ASKING ‘MICHAEL’ TO SHOW HIS PRESENCE AND IMMEDIATELY A COYOTE BEGAN TO HOWL IN THE DISTANCE. WHILE I WAS ON HOLD, I LISTENED TO A LONG COMMERCIAL FOR IBC’S PENNY STOCK PREMIUM SERVICE.)
L: Coming up in about 30 seconds. (pause) And welcome back to “The Lou Gentile Show” broadcasting live. We are speaking tonight with Mark Russell Bell, author, researcher and formerly Hollywood publicity manager. Welcome back, Mark.
Q: Welcome — yourself.
L: (small laugh) You seem like you’re very — a little tense.
Q: No, I’m just trying to speak up.
L: Okay. Alright, now we were — we were discussing poltergeists.
Q: Right.
L: And you were going into some of the cases that — that you were —
Q: Right. (“WELL”)
L: — researching and things of that nature.
Q: Yeah, I — I mean after researching these poltergeist cases, I did see parallels through other cases where there was a large gamut of different types of phenomena.
L: Um-huh.
Q: Certainly, Nostradamus had mentioned “God and good angels” and himself receiving “the spirit of vaticination.” And in the Madame Blavatsky case, she referred to a spiritual group (“THAT”) communicated with her through letters appearing and many d(ifferent) (or “DD”) — bizarre experiences as ‘the Mahatmas.’ And they were really always quite vague but when you compare the Mahatmas with, let’s say, the haunting Entity in the Messages From Michael books, you do begin seeing the parallels. And also Edgar Cayce, I might say, who would always conclude his sessions with “We are through” and would always communicate in different spirit voices so this was really more of an amassing of spirits, as I myself experienced when I was in Oklahoma.
L: Um-huh.
Q: I might say that one book that talks about dealing with a large gamut of these experiences was a book entitled My Search For The Ghost Of Flight 401 written in 1978 by Elizabeth Fuller. I found a paperback version of this and one of the many incidents that she acknowledged was an anecdote about the near death experience of Dr. George Ritchie when he encountered the presence of the Son of God. So — and when you look at (“LIKE”) the Bible and the angel connected with the burning bushes and Moses, you begin seeing parallels. (“YOU KNOW”) The angel Michael and the “Michael” in the house in Oklahoma. So I started seeing these various parallels. In my own case, I did have religious symbolism (“IN”) in my life. And at the time I was totally unaware of it. For example, I was working at Paramount Pictures, which is known for the famous mountain logo.
L: And what movies did you work on, just out of curiosity?
Q: Well I worked on over a hundred movies, some of them with paranormal topics. For example — (“I MEAN”) the biggest successes that I worked on were probably “Braveheart,” “Forrest Gump,” “Fatal Attraction,” “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.” (“BUT”) There were other interesting paranormal-type films such as “Scrooged” is one. I worked on “Pet Sematary” and at the time when I was (“I WA”) interviewing the director and other people who worked on the film, I found out that when they were making that film up in Maine, they were actually stalked by an apparent bigfoot-type creature — (“WHICH”) I thought was quite an interesting column item at the time.
L: Really?
Q: I inter(viewed) — I worked on “Fire In The Sky,” which is sort of embarrassing to me now because it isn’t a very faithful adaptation.
L: (laughs)
Q: I did speak to Travis Walton.
L: Um-huh.
Q: In fact, I — I — after this, my experience, I did find the interview. Because when I interviewed the family in Oklahoma, when I listened to the tape later there were all kinds of EVP, (“I ME”) very pronounced EVP and so since then (“I”) I went back to my Paramount interview tapes and I found other EVP. So I’ve become sort of an expert on that. I can —
L: That’s very interesting.
Q: Yeah.
L: I wonder how many EVPs Hollywood actually gets that they just chuck on the floor.
Q: Well in my case I was almost trained to recognize them with very prominent ones. In fact, when I — my — when I first published my book, I would totally do it different now because (“I WILL”) I edited out a lot of (“THE”) like little bits of words and fragments. I know that there are some mediums — (“SOME”) like audient mediums who say that they hear fragments of words too. (“SO”) That almost is very similar — (“TO”) what I understand with the EVP phenomena. There’s also a lot of unattributed sounds too that you’re — that you just edit out or you just — if you — if you’re not aware that they’re there and if you don’t think —
L: Alright, I’ve got to take a shor(t) — I’ve got to take a short break.
Q: Okay.
L: We’ll return to “The Lou Gentile Show” right after this short break right after this. (commercials for Inventech, Avacor and Miracle Slim Down) Here we go. (pause) And we’re back to “The Lou Gentile Show” broadcasting live. Speaking tonight with Mark Russell Bell, author, researcher and former Hollywood publicity manager. Welcome back, Mark.
Q: Hi, Lou.
L: Okay, now we were in the midst of — of a little conversation there about poltergeists and we kind of went off into movies and things like that.
Q: Well —
L: Let me ask you — let me ask you a question.
Q: Okay.
L: What happened to you as a child or as a — as a young adult or whatever that made you a believer in the paranormal? And if it didn’t happen at an early age, at one point in your life did something happen that completely changed you?
Q: Well it must’ve been my trip to Oklahoma that was my actual life-changing experience because it enabled me to connect some of the dots of my various experiences throughout my life. And there were always movie ties for some strange reason. For example, I was born in Culver City (near MGM Studios). It was 1956 and I was an identical twin. I think I weighed four pounds and 13 ounces—according to my mom—at the time. In fact, I went home at about that weight. We both were pretty healthy. And I mentioned hearing a disembodied voice calling my name when I was five. Well (or “WELL”) while I was working at Paramount, I had some other experiences. The only other time I heard a voi(ce) — a disembodied voice calling my name was during that time was one night when I was in bed before sleeping and I heard, “FATHER I HAVE WAITED SO LONG.”
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS WAS THE ONLY OTHER TIME I HEARD A DISEMBODIED VOICE AS THIS SECOND TIME MY NAME WASN’T CALLED.)
Q: And I was — I didn’t know ho(w) (or “HH”) — what it was. I mean but ([call tape only] “FOR E”) what (do) you do when you have something like this happen to you? You just put it aside because you can’t really tell anyone. You don’t under(stand) — you don’t understand what form of creativity is involved. Now also one of — I had written various screenplays and I’d researched some nonfiction subjects. One of them was based on the formal final trial for witchcraft in France involving a young woman named Catherine and (“HA[D]”) — who had an affair with her father confessor. And she had claimed to experience these religious experiences. You might call them raptures of Christ. So a(t) — at this same period, I experienced two of these experiences so at the time I had thought that she (“HAD”) was making it up out of some kind of religious fervor but after I experienced them I had a different take on it all. For e(xample) — and also at Paramount weird things were going on. For example when I was working on the movie “Clueless” — I would hand in my press kits that I would do on disk. And the disk was turning out (“TO”) with a strange corruption message on the computer when I tried to (“TAKE IT”) take the file out of the disk. So I ended up going to Kinko’s and trying again. And then I even had to finally retype it at a computer in the Paramount photo department. But then when I went to (“EXCHA”) — this was before they had an — any kind of (“AA”) linked-up system there so I was going to move the file from the photo department to another file. And the same thing happened. So I just felt like I was the one who was getting the message of me being ‘clueless’ because it was soon after that, that I went to Oklahoma. And, for example, a few days before my trip one of the directors of publicity’s assistant saw me for the first time wearing my glasses. And he said, “You look like a wise old owl.” And then when I came to Centrahoma I found out that the original name of the city Centrahoma was, in fact, Owl. So that’s typical (“OF SOME OF”) of some of my experiences. Now when I was in Oklahoma, for example, (“WHEN”) when Twyla took me on a tour of the area, coins would — there was (“LIKE”) a dime that came out of the back seat and struck (“THE”) the windshield from inside and then a rock hit the windshield from outside. And I was trying to make sense of all this. There was spirit giggling and groaning in the back seat. There was a groaning in the back seat. There were sounds inside the house like what I thought sounded like an alien transmission-type sound. It might have also been compared to the yowling of a cat.
L: You believe in aliens? Or do you believe they exist?
Q: Yes, I do but I also beli(eve) — I believe that — I mean there are many different forms of — I mean for example there’s — there can be dream aliens. I, myself, have had — haven’t had much of an experience with — I’ve never seen, for example, an alien either in real life or even in my dream. I do remember having a dream where I was on some kind of spaceship or something and I remember feeling frightened and wanting to defend myself against the beings that were there. And I remember there was (“O[NE]”) some being was going to come through the door and I was going to slam the door on the being but I don’t know really what to say. I — I do believe some of the cases in the media about aliens. For example, that famous ‘alien interview’ tape. I don’t think that’s something that really could have been faked (“WITH”) with the various contraptions and things. Even though I didn’t really see the — I haven’t really seen the video but from just what I understand I don’t ([archive tape only] “YY”) think that that (“WOULD”) — that was a fake.
L: “The Alien Autopsy”?
Q: No. (“THE”) The — the one that was supposed to have been smuggled out by the mysterious ‘Victor.’ The video came and went very quickly. I remember Whitley Strieber discussed it, I think, at one point on Art Bell’s show. And then this pseudonym of ‘Victor’ character appeared later talking about the case but (“IT’S”) it just came and went like a lot of the things on that show.
L: Hmm.
Q: But I’ve interviewed people who have had encounters with strange people who they can’t even decide in their own minds if this is an alien or (“JU[S]”) — or an angel. People with strange powers (“OF”) — you know, like levitation. (“AN”) They have names and they seem to know everything about the people. And so (“THAT”) that’s been interesting (“WHEN I”) doing those interviews. In fact, one of the people I interviewed who said he did see aliens in Vegas (“JUST THAT”) — he said that he would see them walking down the street and people would just ignore them because they were so busy gambling. I read I think earlier in the year that he was — body was found somewhere. His name was Ambassador Merlyn Merlin or something. And I interviewed him over at the Philosophical Research Society out here in L.A. So you have all these very strange goings-on in the whole UFOlogy community and you never really know what — what the level of reality is. So —
L: (archive tape only) Sure.
W: — that is a definite difficult area for me. And now I have had some bizarre experiences since moving to the valley. Just to give you an example, one of the things that happened when I first moved here was there was somebody knocking on my windows here in my bedroom. They’re very high windows. (“I”) Over six feet before they begin. And it was right after I moved in and there was somebody knocking on my window. Well at the time I didn’t think it was a paranormal experience. I thought it was somebody (“WHO”) had locked themselves out or (“YOU KNOW”) something bizarre but the more I think about it, the more I think it was an experience. And then there was one night where I heard a strange whirring sound coming from below my mattress. (“I HAVE”) I have a — a wooden base for my ma(ttress) — I mean there’s nothing there basically. I mean it would’ve had to be inter-dimensional or something. But there was this strange whirring sound, humming sound coming from — (“A AA”) there’s a lot of strange — I — I don’t know why I’ve had so many strange things. I know sometimes I’ve asked (“FF”) for them. Working on a book, you get sort of bored with the same repetition of transcribing and what-have-you. An(d) I (or “AN I”), for example, I remember one time it felt like a — (“AA”) a cat spirit (“WAS”) — I’ve had cats in the past and I wanted to have a cat. (“BUT”) One day I had — it felt like a cat was sitting on me. And then one night when I was very upset, I was calling out, “Who is my friend?” Because I’ve — I’ve had such bizarre experiences. For example, I would hear — I would hear something — a noise from the bathroom when nobody’s there. So one night I was feeling rather upset about my lack of progress or I guess it really isn’t a lack of progress, it’s just wanting to be at a different point. And I said, “Who — who is my friend?” Well instead of (“THE”) the spirit cat coming, it was more life an ostrich leg-type spirit coming onto (“MM”) — onto my bed. So I tried — I — just I — as I went to look and I remember trying to call out, “Who are you?” And it — whatever it was just disappeared. (“I MEAN”) It’s impossible for me to know if this was reality or a dream — it’s ju(st) — was just such a heightened experience.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I DON’T THINK IT WAS A DREAM BECAUSE DREAMS DON’T USUALLY INCLUDE THE FEELING OF PERPLEXITY I EXPERIENCED WHEN I FELT MY MATTRESS SUDDENLY MOVE IN SUCH A WAY THAT SOMETHING WAS COMING TOWARD ME TAKING OSTRICH-LIKE STRIDES. I WAS INTRIGUED WITH SOME TREPIDATION AKIN TO “NOW WHAT?” I MOVED TO LOOK BEYOND THE COVERS AND IN THE DARKNESS COULD ONLY MAKE OUT A SHADOWY YET [I THINK] SMILING [PERHAPS HARLEQUIN-LIKE] FACE WITH HAIR EXTENDING UPWARDS AT THE SIDES. THE BEING FADED IN A MANNER SUBORDINATE TO MY SUDDENLY FEELING THAT I WAS EXPERIENCING A CHANGE IN THE LEVEL OF MY CONSCIOUSNESS SUCH AS HOW ONE MIGHT FEEL TO WAKE UP WHILE ALREADY BEING AWAKE.)
L: Hm.
Q: But I — I’m —
L: So this — (“THIS”) all these different experiences basically opened you up to the paranormal world and believing that there are things that are unseen that are around us all the time.
Q: Exactly. (“AA — I — I”) I don’t think that what goes on, on a Ouija Board just goes on, on the Ouija Board. I do believe that we are processing thoughts coming from different sources all — all the time. And in my case going to Oklahoma was an experience — for example, they would tell me about ‘Leader’ who was this big alien presence. And various people would talk about ‘Leader.’ And there was — in fact there was also a ‘Leader Creek’ in the area. Well when I —
L: (archive tape only) There’s also —
Q: — there was also — they also — the aliens claimed to be from Saturn.
L: There’s also Nancy Lieder.
Q: I don’t know that — who that is but, anyway —
L: It’s — she’s — ‘Planet X.’ She supposedly channels Zetas.
Q: Well —
L: From another — another planet or something.
Q: Yeah. (“THERE’S”) A lot of channeling going on. Of course, you always have to first ask you, “Is this someone doing it for money?” Then you have to ask, “Is this — (“I MEAN”) just what is — what is the nature going on?” Of course, there are some disinformation agents out there as well. But I remember in the Messages From Michael books, there was one very telling part I thought that came early on. Are you familiar with those books?
L: No.
Q: Okay, in — this was an amassing of different spirits who were — were communicating over a Ouija Board. And they would talk about “overleaves” and different types of the nature of the soul and “fragments” and all these bizarre things. But on an early page — on page nine it says — this is — this is (“AA”) a quote. ‘Michael’ was spelling this out on the Ouija Board:
Q: Hello?
L: Yeah. Mark, please.
Q: This is Mark.
L: Mark, it’s Lou Gentile.
Q: Hi, (“GG”) Lou.
L: How are you doing?
Q: Very good.
L: Alright. I’m going to give you a toll-free number you can call.
Q: Okay. Ready.
L: Alright, it’s (gives number)
Q: Yeah. Okay. (repeats last four digits)
L: Give me a ring. Give me a call right back and it’ll dump you into the show. You’ll be able to hear everything and will start probably about eight after.
Q: Okay, very good.
L: Alright?
Q: Alright.
L: Okay, hang on. (“I”)
Q: Okay, bye.
L: Bye.
( . . . )
L: Hello.
Q: Here I am.
L: Alright. Very good. Okay, just hang on and we’ll go ahead and, you know, anything particular you want to bring up tonight?
Q: Well I think what I’ll (“AA”) — I usually start by just relating the events that happened to me.
L: Okay. Now for the most part we’re going to be talking about near-death experience?
Q: No. Paranormal phenomena leading to a case of — what’s the — how should I say it? Expanded consciousness via the Angelic?
L: Okay.
Q: Okay.
L: Yeah. No problem. Alright, hang on, okay?
Q: Okay.
L: Alright.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I LISTENED TO MUSIC WHILE ON HOLD. I TURNED ON MY TAPE RECORDER WHENEVER I HEARD LOU AGAIN. AT FIRST I WASN’T SURE IF HE WAS SPEAKING TO ME SO I REPLIED.)
L: . . . about ten minutes.
Q: Very good.
L: Tonight we’re going to be speaking with Mark Russell Bell about paranormal activity, talking poltergeists, spirit world and angelic beings. We return about ten minutes.
( . . . )
Q: Okay.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I WAS UNABLE TO HEAR CLEARLY THE SHOW’S INTRODUCTORY MONTAGE OF SOUND CLIPS, MUSIC AND COMMENTARY AT THIS POINT AND AT SOME LATER INTERVALS. THESE ARE ALSO UNABLE TO BE HEARD ON THE ARCHIVE EDITION OF THE SHOW.)
L: And good evening, ladies and gentlemen, you’re listening live to “The Lou Gentile Show.” Tonight we’re going to be speaking with Mark Russell Bell and he is an author, researcher and Hollywood publicity manager. We’re going to be talking about talking poltergeists, paranormal activity, the spirit world, God and the Bible, as well as angelic beings — should prove to be very interesting. And for further information about him you can visit his website at www.testament.org. That’s T — E — S — T — A — M — E — N — T dot org. And you can also visit our website for the latest in paranormal news as well as hundreds upon hundreds of paranormal photographs, videos, audio recordings and more at www dot L — O — U — G — E — N — T — I — L — E dot com. That’s L — O — U — G — E — N — T — I — L — E dot com. Now there you can also find that we have seven independent Internet streams that you can listen in over the Net as well as two free video feeds. Find out what’s going on in the studio and hundreds of archives. And the archives are going to be updated over the next couple of days so like last night’s show and, I don’t know, the last couple of — couple of nights’ shows and the Halloween show and all kinds of other shows will be back up or will be up because I have to actually move some files over to another hard drive because I ran out of space on this one drive. So anyway that’s what’s happened with that. But, anyway, if you check out the website you can find out more. Now we have a new toll-free number. I gave it out last night but I’m going to give it out again so (you) might want to write this down. This is our permanent toll-free number, which is (gives number). That’s (gives number). And that’s made possible by Northstar Technologies. You can visit their website at www.northstar-technologies.com. That’s for all your long distance needs. And they do Internet and all kinds of other things so it’s pretty cool. You’ll be hearing more about them coming up in the show later on. Probably next week — be starting next week. Tomorrow night coming up on the show so that everybody’s aware, we’re going to be bringing back a veteran to “The Lou Gentile Show,” Mark Macy. Mark is involved with Inner — Int — bbhh — Instrumental Trans Communication. And what’s Instrumental Trans Communication? It’s sort of like EVPs but he does it a little bit different and he’s going to be sharing a lot of his audio samples that he has for us tomorrow night. And, just as always, Mark brings some very, very interesting perspective to the spirit world and what’s on the other side. We’ll return to “The Lou Gentile Show” after we take this short break right after this. (commercials for IBC’s “Stock Talk Live,” International Broadcasting Corporation and IBC’s cultmoviesonline.com) And good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to “The Lou Gentile Show.” Tonight we’re going to be speaking with Mark Russell Bell, author, researcher and Hollywood publicity manager. Now we’re — we’re going to be talking about some very interesting topics tonight. One of them is talking poltergeists as well as paranormal activity. And then we’re also going to go into a little bit about the spirit world, God, the Bible, and angelic beings. And let’s bring Mark on the line. Mark, welcome to the show.
Q: Good evening, Lou.
L: Good evening.
Q: Yeah, I was thinking as I was listening to you — (“AA”) when my experiences culminated, it definitely meant for me leaving behind my career in Hollywood.
L: Um-huh.
Q: And, as you said, it all started when I was researching talking poltergeists through history. I had done a screenplay based on the famous Bell Witch case and while doing that I found out that there were some other poltergeist cases where the talking aspect was pronounced so I ended up researching all of them.
L: How many different cases did you find that there were talking poltergeists?
Q: I would say at least eight. There were three primary ones that I really concentrated on.
L: What were they?
Q: The Bell — the Bell Witch, of course.
L: Uh-huh.
Q: Then there was The Haunting of Cashen’s Gap, which concerned the famous Gef the talking mongoose that Harry Price and R. S. Lambert wrote about, which really (“WW”) was more of a poltergeist than a talking mongoose. It claimed to be a talking mongoose. I(t) (or “I[T]”) — the Spirit also at one point claimed to be “the fifth dimension,” “the eighth wonder of the world” and said that the Entity could “split the atom.”
L: Oh jeese.
Q: And another case that I researched was in 1839 so that was soon following the Bell Witch — the original Bell Witch haunting. Family members did say that the Bell Witch did return later to leave some discourses. (“BUT”) This Mary Jobson case is probably not very well known. I found out about the case and was able to get the manuscript by W. Reid Clanny—he — he was a doctor—from Harvard. And in that case — well here, I — (“HAVE”) some of my notes. Some of the things that the talking poltergeist said — it — this was more of a case that involved religious aspects.
L: Okay.
Q: “WILL YOU STRIVE AGAINST GOD,” which is a pretty prophetic way to begin.
L: Um-huh.
Q: Here — I’ll just read from Clanny’s manuscript:
“I AM HE WHO THOU KNOWEST NOT. BE NOT DECEIVED FOR YOU KNOW NOT WHO I AM. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING. I TOLD YOUR CHILD THAT SHE WAS GOING TO HAVE A LONG ILLNESS, AND THAT I WAS GOING TO WORK A MIRACLE WITH HER. SHE IS LIKE YOUNG SAMUEL WHO KEPT HIS FATHER’S LAWS FOR WHEN YOU DESIRED HER TO SAY HER PRAYERS AND GO TO SLEEP, SHE OBEYED; AND WHEN THE REMAINDER OF THE FAMILY WAS IN SLEEP, SHE WOULD ARISE AND ON HER KNEES PRAY WITHOUT CEASING TO HER FATHER IN HEAVEN. THERE WILL BE MANY THAT WILL COME HERE WHO WILL NOT BELIEVE IN THIS. SOME WILL BELIEVE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE WITH GOD. (“BUT”) BUT BLESSED ARE THEY WHO MAY NOT HEAR NOR SEE AND YET BELIEVE.”
Q: In one case, a visitor named Jemima Elizabeth Gauntlett visited and the voice said — called her name and said, “WHO DO YOU THINK I AM. ANSWER.” And she said that she believed that the son of God spoke. And the voice replied, “YES, I KNOW THAT YOU DO SO BELIEVE.” Soon after that, she heard a strange voice at the top of the sick child’s bed which said, “DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS.” She answered that she did not know what it was. The voice then said, “IT IS THE VOICE OF YOUR BROTHER WHO DIED IN MARCH, 1822 WHEN HE WAS FIFTEEN AND A HALF YEARS OF AGE.”
L: Now where was this voice reported to be coming from?
Q: Just in the — the room itself around —
L: Thin air, right?
Q: Right. (“IT”) Other — (“AT TI”) other times during the case it seemed as if the chi(ld) — the child became a speaking “trumpet” and spoke to people. And there were some exchanges listed there. One of the — in fact, when I was researching this after researching the other poltergeist cases, there was one portion attributed to a Robert B. Embleton and there wa(s) — it said, “MARK,” which was my name — dash “I AM” thy (my mistake) — THEY GOD” — not thy God but T — H — E — Y God “SOUNDING OUT OF THE HEAVENS.” And it just seemed like the poltergeist was speaking directly to me at that point. There were other voices, such as one — one voice claimed to be the Virgin Mary. And then the child’s uncle. (“LIKE”) I guess the late uncle was speaking. And It was recreating the voices of these spirits as I would find in other cases.
[2021 UPDATE: THIS IS ONE OF SEVERAL INTERVIEWS WHEN I INCORRECTLY QUOTED "THEY GOD." ACTUALLY THE TEXT OF THE BOOK READS "THY GOD." MY PRONOUNCEMENT OF "THEY GOD" IS DUE TO FINDING THE WORDS IN MY COMPUTER FILE ALTERED FROM 'THY' TO 'THEY' ON AT LEAST ONE OCCASION.]
L: Have you ever come across the Enfield Poltergeist case?
Q: I read a little bit about it. (“BUT I”) I don’t think the speaking voice was prominent in that one.
L: Oh yes it was.
Q: Oh really? What did it — what were some of the things that were said?
L: Well I have got a treat for you tonight. I’m going to actually play an excerpt of some very rare audio files from that case. So coming up later on in the show I’ll play a 20-minute — it’s about fifteen minutes or so — of an excerpt of exactly what happened with that case. It was probably one of the most documented speaking poltergeists in history.
Q: Okay.
L: Believe it or not.
Q: Yeah, I remember — I remember reading a little bit about it but it — it wasn’t one of the ones that I concentrated on and I don’t really remember the reasons why. Of course, there were some cases like the William Morse case where there were a few sentences said.
L: Um-huh.
Q: And the same thing with a little known case in Pavia that was recorded by Ludovico Maria Sinistrari. And, of course, there was the Drummer of Tedworth case where at one point the voice was heard repeating the words “A WITCH A WITCH A WITCH” over and over again. And in my case when I was quite young when I was five or six I heard a voi(ce) — a disembodied voice calling my name when I was living (“I[N]”) in an apartment in Pasadena. And that was one of the first experiences I had that really helped (“ME”) to become interested in the unexplained.
L: Now what do you think poltergeists are? (“I MEAN UM”) We have a lot of definitions out there but you personally? What do you believe they are?
Q: Well in terms of my experience the — what — well, see, I went to this house in — in Centrahoma. (“WHERE”) There was a TV documentary on them called “Ghosts, Psychics, Mediums: Put To The Test.” I don’t know if you saw it. It was back in 1995. And —
L: Yeah.
Q: Of course, at that point they were calling it a — a poltergeist. It was really an amassing of different spirit voices and, in fact, some alien voices that were manifesting in this house, along with objects materializing. So this was a contemporary case of ‘talking poltergeists.’
L: Um-huh.
Q: So I — when I had finished my manuscript at the time — (“OF”) talking poltergeists so I thought, “Well this is a perfect opportunity for me.” I was working at Paramount Pictures at the time. I had been on staff (“FOR”) a number of years and then I became a freelance — working predominantly with them. And I decided to go for a long weekend and interview this family. And I experienced so many unusual experiences and I learned so many interesting anecdotes that I ended up just publishing the interviews verbatim as the beginning of my book so people could see how I would respond to experiencing such things as spirit voices. A nail hit me in the head and bounced off.
L: Um-huh.
Q: Very — very bizarre — insect events. When I called my twin brother from the motel that evening just to let him know what was going on (“YI”) — I guess he was asleep and I woke him up. And he answered the phone groggily. (“AN”) And I was beginning to tell him and he then said, “My bed is shaking.”
L: Hmm.
Q: And — and I — so I the next day I told the family — I said, “That’s not possible, is it?” (“BUT”) I soon realized that what they were calling a poltergeist — even though the fam(ily) — the family didn’t really call the Entity a poltergeist. It was the TV producers.
L: Um-huh.
Q: They really thought that it was — there were more alien aspects to the presence. In fact, (“IN”) in the special there was a heat sensitive film of a profile in a window that looked sort of alien but (or “BUT”) the producers themselves had such a difficult time with the subject that they themselves tried to explain it away by saying it was the shadow of a neigh(bor) (“I”) — I mean they made up this nonsensical solution much like what science does when confronted with something that it can’t otherwise explain. And at the very end of the show, the — the main (“HH”) interviewer was saying, “Michael” — that was the name that — that they gave — the nickname they assigned the gamut of the different voices, (“AND THE”) the experiences. There was also one particular entity that would hold conversations with people. So there was a ‘Michael’ but they would just call all the various spirits ‘Michael.’ But sometimes they would assign specific names like Leada (I mispronounced the name) — ‘Leader’ or Sarah and what-have-you. And they would tell various stories.
L: Alright. I’ve got to take a short break.
Q: Okay.
L: So let’s hold it right there. And we’ll be back to “The Lou Gentile Show” after we take this short break. Speaking tonight with Mark Russell Bell. We’ll be right back after this.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE COMMERCIAL BREAK PREVENTED ME FROM MENTIONING THAT AT THE END OF THE SEGMENT OF THE SPECIAL SET IN CENTRAHOMA, THE INTERVIEWER WAS SHOWN ASKING ‘MICHAEL’ TO SHOW HIS PRESENCE AND IMMEDIATELY A COYOTE BEGAN TO HOWL IN THE DISTANCE. WHILE I WAS ON HOLD, I LISTENED TO A LONG COMMERCIAL FOR IBC’S PENNY STOCK PREMIUM SERVICE.)
L: Coming up in about 30 seconds. (pause) And welcome back to “The Lou Gentile Show” broadcasting live. We are speaking tonight with Mark Russell Bell, author, researcher and formerly Hollywood publicity manager. Welcome back, Mark.
Q: Welcome — yourself.
L: (small laugh) You seem like you’re very — a little tense.
Q: No, I’m just trying to speak up.
L: Okay. Alright, now we were — we were discussing poltergeists.
Q: Right.
L: And you were going into some of the cases that — that you were —
Q: Right. (“WELL”)
L: — researching and things of that nature.
Q: Yeah, I — I mean after researching these poltergeist cases, I did see parallels through other cases where there was a large gamut of different types of phenomena.
L: Um-huh.
Q: Certainly, Nostradamus had mentioned “God and good angels” and himself receiving “the spirit of vaticination.” And in the Madame Blavatsky case, she referred to a spiritual group (“THAT”) communicated with her through letters appearing and many d(ifferent) (or “DD”) — bizarre experiences as ‘the Mahatmas.’ And they were really always quite vague but when you compare the Mahatmas with, let’s say, the haunting Entity in the Messages From Michael books, you do begin seeing the parallels. And also Edgar Cayce, I might say, who would always conclude his sessions with “We are through” and would always communicate in different spirit voices so this was really more of an amassing of spirits, as I myself experienced when I was in Oklahoma.
L: Um-huh.
Q: I might say that one book that talks about dealing with a large gamut of these experiences was a book entitled My Search For The Ghost Of Flight 401 written in 1978 by Elizabeth Fuller. I found a paperback version of this and one of the many incidents that she acknowledged was an anecdote about the near death experience of Dr. George Ritchie when he encountered the presence of the Son of God. So — and when you look at (“LIKE”) the Bible and the angel connected with the burning bushes and Moses, you begin seeing parallels. (“YOU KNOW”) The angel Michael and the “Michael” in the house in Oklahoma. So I started seeing these various parallels. In my own case, I did have religious symbolism (“IN”) in my life. And at the time I was totally unaware of it. For example, I was working at Paramount Pictures, which is known for the famous mountain logo.
L: And what movies did you work on, just out of curiosity?
Q: Well I worked on over a hundred movies, some of them with paranormal topics. For example — (“I MEAN”) the biggest successes that I worked on were probably “Braveheart,” “Forrest Gump,” “Fatal Attraction,” “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.” (“BUT”) There were other interesting paranormal-type films such as “Scrooged” is one. I worked on “Pet Sematary” and at the time when I was (“I WA”) interviewing the director and other people who worked on the film, I found out that when they were making that film up in Maine, they were actually stalked by an apparent bigfoot-type creature — (“WHICH”) I thought was quite an interesting column item at the time.
L: Really?
Q: I inter(viewed) — I worked on “Fire In The Sky,” which is sort of embarrassing to me now because it isn’t a very faithful adaptation.
L: (laughs)
Q: I did speak to Travis Walton.
L: Um-huh.
Q: In fact, I — I — after this, my experience, I did find the interview. Because when I interviewed the family in Oklahoma, when I listened to the tape later there were all kinds of EVP, (“I ME”) very pronounced EVP and so since then (“I”) I went back to my Paramount interview tapes and I found other EVP. So I’ve become sort of an expert on that. I can —
L: That’s very interesting.
Q: Yeah.
L: I wonder how many EVPs Hollywood actually gets that they just chuck on the floor.
Q: Well in my case I was almost trained to recognize them with very prominent ones. In fact, when I — my — when I first published my book, I would totally do it different now because (“I WILL”) I edited out a lot of (“THE”) like little bits of words and fragments. I know that there are some mediums — (“SOME”) like audient mediums who say that they hear fragments of words too. (“SO”) That almost is very similar — (“TO”) what I understand with the EVP phenomena. There’s also a lot of unattributed sounds too that you’re — that you just edit out or you just — if you — if you’re not aware that they’re there and if you don’t think —
L: Alright, I’ve got to take a shor(t) — I’ve got to take a short break.
Q: Okay.
L: We’ll return to “The Lou Gentile Show” right after this short break right after this. (commercials for Inventech, Avacor and Miracle Slim Down) Here we go. (pause) And we’re back to “The Lou Gentile Show” broadcasting live. Speaking tonight with Mark Russell Bell, author, researcher and former Hollywood publicity manager. Welcome back, Mark.
Q: Hi, Lou.
L: Okay, now we were in the midst of — of a little conversation there about poltergeists and we kind of went off into movies and things like that.
Q: Well —
L: Let me ask you — let me ask you a question.
Q: Okay.
L: What happened to you as a child or as a — as a young adult or whatever that made you a believer in the paranormal? And if it didn’t happen at an early age, at one point in your life did something happen that completely changed you?
Q: Well it must’ve been my trip to Oklahoma that was my actual life-changing experience because it enabled me to connect some of the dots of my various experiences throughout my life. And there were always movie ties for some strange reason. For example, I was born in Culver City (near MGM Studios). It was 1956 and I was an identical twin. I think I weighed four pounds and 13 ounces—according to my mom—at the time. In fact, I went home at about that weight. We both were pretty healthy. And I mentioned hearing a disembodied voice calling my name when I was five. Well (or “WELL”) while I was working at Paramount, I had some other experiences. The only other time I heard a voi(ce) — a disembodied voice calling my name was during that time was one night when I was in bed before sleeping and I heard, “FATHER I HAVE WAITED SO LONG.”
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS WAS THE ONLY OTHER TIME I HEARD A DISEMBODIED VOICE AS THIS SECOND TIME MY NAME WASN’T CALLED.)
Q: And I was — I didn’t know ho(w) (or “HH”) — what it was. I mean but ([call tape only] “FOR E”) what (do) you do when you have something like this happen to you? You just put it aside because you can’t really tell anyone. You don’t under(stand) — you don’t understand what form of creativity is involved. Now also one of — I had written various screenplays and I’d researched some nonfiction subjects. One of them was based on the formal final trial for witchcraft in France involving a young woman named Catherine and (“HA[D]”) — who had an affair with her father confessor. And she had claimed to experience these religious experiences. You might call them raptures of Christ. So a(t) — at this same period, I experienced two of these experiences so at the time I had thought that she (“HAD”) was making it up out of some kind of religious fervor but after I experienced them I had a different take on it all. For e(xample) — and also at Paramount weird things were going on. For example when I was working on the movie “Clueless” — I would hand in my press kits that I would do on disk. And the disk was turning out (“TO”) with a strange corruption message on the computer when I tried to (“TAKE IT”) take the file out of the disk. So I ended up going to Kinko’s and trying again. And then I even had to finally retype it at a computer in the Paramount photo department. But then when I went to (“EXCHA”) — this was before they had an — any kind of (“AA”) linked-up system there so I was going to move the file from the photo department to another file. And the same thing happened. So I just felt like I was the one who was getting the message of me being ‘clueless’ because it was soon after that, that I went to Oklahoma. And, for example, a few days before my trip one of the directors of publicity’s assistant saw me for the first time wearing my glasses. And he said, “You look like a wise old owl.” And then when I came to Centrahoma I found out that the original name of the city Centrahoma was, in fact, Owl. So that’s typical (“OF SOME OF”) of some of my experiences. Now when I was in Oklahoma, for example, (“WHEN”) when Twyla took me on a tour of the area, coins would — there was (“LIKE”) a dime that came out of the back seat and struck (“THE”) the windshield from inside and then a rock hit the windshield from outside. And I was trying to make sense of all this. There was spirit giggling and groaning in the back seat. There was a groaning in the back seat. There were sounds inside the house like what I thought sounded like an alien transmission-type sound. It might have also been compared to the yowling of a cat.
L: You believe in aliens? Or do you believe they exist?
Q: Yes, I do but I also beli(eve) — I believe that — I mean there are many different forms of — I mean for example there’s — there can be dream aliens. I, myself, have had — haven’t had much of an experience with — I’ve never seen, for example, an alien either in real life or even in my dream. I do remember having a dream where I was on some kind of spaceship or something and I remember feeling frightened and wanting to defend myself against the beings that were there. And I remember there was (“O[NE]”) some being was going to come through the door and I was going to slam the door on the being but I don’t know really what to say. I — I do believe some of the cases in the media about aliens. For example, that famous ‘alien interview’ tape. I don’t think that’s something that really could have been faked (“WITH”) with the various contraptions and things. Even though I didn’t really see the — I haven’t really seen the video but from just what I understand I don’t ([archive tape only] “YY”) think that that (“WOULD”) — that was a fake.
L: “The Alien Autopsy”?
Q: No. (“THE”) The — the one that was supposed to have been smuggled out by the mysterious ‘Victor.’ The video came and went very quickly. I remember Whitley Strieber discussed it, I think, at one point on Art Bell’s show. And then this pseudonym of ‘Victor’ character appeared later talking about the case but (“IT’S”) it just came and went like a lot of the things on that show.
L: Hmm.
Q: But I’ve interviewed people who have had encounters with strange people who they can’t even decide in their own minds if this is an alien or (“JU[S]”) — or an angel. People with strange powers (“OF”) — you know, like levitation. (“AN”) They have names and they seem to know everything about the people. And so (“THAT”) that’s been interesting (“WHEN I”) doing those interviews. In fact, one of the people I interviewed who said he did see aliens in Vegas (“JUST THAT”) — he said that he would see them walking down the street and people would just ignore them because they were so busy gambling. I read I think earlier in the year that he was — body was found somewhere. His name was Ambassador Merlyn Merlin or something. And I interviewed him over at the Philosophical Research Society out here in L.A. So you have all these very strange goings-on in the whole UFOlogy community and you never really know what — what the level of reality is. So —
L: (archive tape only) Sure.
W: — that is a definite difficult area for me. And now I have had some bizarre experiences since moving to the valley. Just to give you an example, one of the things that happened when I first moved here was there was somebody knocking on my windows here in my bedroom. They’re very high windows. (“I”) Over six feet before they begin. And it was right after I moved in and there was somebody knocking on my window. Well at the time I didn’t think it was a paranormal experience. I thought it was somebody (“WHO”) had locked themselves out or (“YOU KNOW”) something bizarre but the more I think about it, the more I think it was an experience. And then there was one night where I heard a strange whirring sound coming from below my mattress. (“I HAVE”) I have a — a wooden base for my ma(ttress) — I mean there’s nothing there basically. I mean it would’ve had to be inter-dimensional or something. But there was this strange whirring sound, humming sound coming from — (“A AA”) there’s a lot of strange — I — I don’t know why I’ve had so many strange things. I know sometimes I’ve asked (“FF”) for them. Working on a book, you get sort of bored with the same repetition of transcribing and what-have-you. An(d) I (or “AN I”), for example, I remember one time it felt like a — (“AA”) a cat spirit (“WAS”) — I’ve had cats in the past and I wanted to have a cat. (“BUT”) One day I had — it felt like a cat was sitting on me. And then one night when I was very upset, I was calling out, “Who is my friend?” Because I’ve — I’ve had such bizarre experiences. For example, I would hear — I would hear something — a noise from the bathroom when nobody’s there. So one night I was feeling rather upset about my lack of progress or I guess it really isn’t a lack of progress, it’s just wanting to be at a different point. And I said, “Who — who is my friend?” Well instead of (“THE”) the spirit cat coming, it was more life an ostrich leg-type spirit coming onto (“MM”) — onto my bed. So I tried — I — just I — as I went to look and I remember trying to call out, “Who are you?” And it — whatever it was just disappeared. (“I MEAN”) It’s impossible for me to know if this was reality or a dream — it’s ju(st) — was just such a heightened experience.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I DON’T THINK IT WAS A DREAM BECAUSE DREAMS DON’T USUALLY INCLUDE THE FEELING OF PERPLEXITY I EXPERIENCED WHEN I FELT MY MATTRESS SUDDENLY MOVE IN SUCH A WAY THAT SOMETHING WAS COMING TOWARD ME TAKING OSTRICH-LIKE STRIDES. I WAS INTRIGUED WITH SOME TREPIDATION AKIN TO “NOW WHAT?” I MOVED TO LOOK BEYOND THE COVERS AND IN THE DARKNESS COULD ONLY MAKE OUT A SHADOWY YET [I THINK] SMILING [PERHAPS HARLEQUIN-LIKE] FACE WITH HAIR EXTENDING UPWARDS AT THE SIDES. THE BEING FADED IN A MANNER SUBORDINATE TO MY SUDDENLY FEELING THAT I WAS EXPERIENCING A CHANGE IN THE LEVEL OF MY CONSCIOUSNESS SUCH AS HOW ONE MIGHT FEEL TO WAKE UP WHILE ALREADY BEING AWAKE.)
L: Hm.
Q: But I — I’m —
L: So this — (“THIS”) all these different experiences basically opened you up to the paranormal world and believing that there are things that are unseen that are around us all the time.
Q: Exactly. (“AA — I — I”) I don’t think that what goes on, on a Ouija Board just goes on, on the Ouija Board. I do believe that we are processing thoughts coming from different sources all — all the time. And in my case going to Oklahoma was an experience — for example, they would tell me about ‘Leader’ who was this big alien presence. And various people would talk about ‘Leader.’ And there was — in fact there was also a ‘Leader Creek’ in the area. Well when I —
L: (archive tape only) There’s also —
Q: — there was also — they also — the aliens claimed to be from Saturn.
L: There’s also Nancy Lieder.
Q: I don’t know that — who that is but, anyway —
L: It’s — she’s — ‘Planet X.’ She supposedly channels Zetas.
Q: Well —
L: From another — another planet or something.
Q: Yeah. (“THERE’S”) A lot of channeling going on. Of course, you always have to first ask you, “Is this someone doing it for money?” Then you have to ask, “Is this — (“I MEAN”) just what is — what is the nature going on?” Of course, there are some disinformation agents out there as well. But I remember in the Messages From Michael books, there was one very telling part I thought that came early on. Are you familiar with those books?
L: No.
Q: Okay, in — this was an amassing of different spirits who were — were communicating over a Ouija Board. And they would talk about “overleaves” and different types of the nature of the soul and “fragments” and all these bizarre things. But on an early page — on page nine it says — this is — this is (“AA”) a quote. ‘Michael’ was spelling this out on the Ouija Board:
IF ONE IS TO SEEK THE PATH TO SPIRITUAL ENLIGHTENMENT ONE MUST FIRST BECOME AWARE OF ONE’S OWN INNER HUMANNESS AND EXPLOIT THIS TO ITS FULLEST. IF ONE IS TO SEEK THE HIGHEST TRUTH OF ALL, ONE MUST FIRST BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE WHAT IS FALSE — IN OTHER WORDS, THE LIES MUST BE TOLD BEFORE THE TRUTH CAN BE SOUGHT. IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND, THERE MUST BE AGREEMENT ON ALL LEVELS. LOVE IS THE TRUTH TOWARD WHICH WE ALL ASPIRE. IN THIS WE INCLUDE OURSELVES AND OTHER ENTITIES LIKE OURSELVES STILL SEEKING.
Q: I know the Seth books are very similar to some of the Michael material.
L: Um-huh.
Q: And I’m — in fact, I’m reading one of those books at the moment. (“BUT”) In my case, what was going on with the supernatural in Oklahoma — it was almost like ‘the tip of the iceberg.’ If you look beyond what people are saying and through what the events are communicating, you find a much more pronounced meaning. (“WW”) In my case, in Oklahoma I saw wasps (“IN”) inside the house and then when I came back I was — instead of nothing happening like I thought it would just stay in Oklahoma, the events were escalating. For example, (“I’VE A”) I have a friend who was working as a psychic reader at the time named Fiona. I called her and she said, “Oh, a magnet just flew off my refrigerator.” Even th(ough) — even though she’s kind of used to things like that. So then I — my friend Marie. I was telling her about how this (or “THIS”) Spirit ‘Michael’ would take money from people who lived in the house like a dollar here or five dollars there and how the family would always be upset that he would take their money. Well she told me that her bank account had been cleared out.
L: Jeese.
Q: Right. So — and it was — and I’m convinced it was the same Teacher. So at the slide show I went to, my friend Charlotte said — was saying things like, “The man in the Hawaiian shirt was our tour leader.” And then my friend Patty said, “My new car is a Saturn.” And I realized that the Entity was communicating with me through the subconscious minds of other people and I was almost being trained to understand the Superconscious mind. And, of course, having to deal with us humans on a very primitive — primitive level, some of the best places to manifest are in ‘haunted houses’ and places where you expect un (or “UN”) — unusual things to occur. Or what we think is unusual.
L: Hm.
Q: So, for example, before I went to Oklahoma I would have a feeling of somebody grabbing my leg at night, which I always explained to myself as some kind of muscle contraction. But then when I came back and it happened, it meant something else. So I remember — I started remembering things. I remembered (“YEAH”) my raptures that I had experienced. I remembered my — the two burning bushes that had gone up in flames on the hill outside my condo. I was trying to put everything together. I went to my Columbia Viking Desk Encyclopedia and it was talking about Jesus. I (“SO”) — I was thinking “Maybe I’m the reincarnation of Jesus” with all this — nails and burning bushes and mountains and commandments. Oh, that’s something else I should mention. I was getting messages over the television. First of all, I wasn’t allowed to watch TV. When I would start watching TV, it would be turned off. The Unseen Presence would turn off the TV. However, sometimes it would come on by itself. I remember one early morning there was an old “Topper” movie that was on TV. There was a bag of oranges. And — and then there was a commercial one time that came on saying, “Love is the only religion.” There was a rose parade float that once came on. (“O[F]” or “AA”) Some big lion. Colin Powell came on once which was bizarre — just for a few minutes and then clicked off. I still haven’t quite decided what that was supposed to mean. But, you know, I was experiencing — oh wh(at) — (“I”) the main experience I had with the TV was (“ONCE” “WE’RE AA”) before I realized I couldn’t watch TV I turned on the MTV documentary (“SERIES”) series “The Real World.”
L: Okay, now what I’m going to do, I’m going to take —
Q: Okay.
L: — a short break. We’ll talk about what happened with that.
Q: Okay.
L: We’re going to take a short break and when we return to “The Lou Gentile Show” we’ll be speaking more with tonight’s guest Mark Russell Bell, author/researcher and former Hollywood publicity manager — talking about talking poltergeists, paranormal activity and the spirit world. And we are going to be taking your calls very shortly toll-free (gives number). Write that number down. That’s (gives number). We’ll be back to “The Lou Gentile Show” right after this. (commercials for Pet Trainer, Raduga Broadcasting Software, and Millenianet) And welcome back to “The Lou Gentile Show” broadcasting live. We’re speaking tonight with Mark Russell Bell, author, researcher and former Hollywood publicity manager. We’re talking tonight about talking poltergeists, paranormal activities, the spirit world, different paranormal experiences that Mark has had throughout his life. Mark, welcome back.
Q: Hi, Lou.
L: Now do — do you find that you’re (“AA” “YOU”) — you seem like you’re probably very sensitive to paranormal or psychic or kinetic type of energies or emotions. ([archive tape only] “YES”) Is that true, would you think?
Q: I’m very ‘aware’ of it. I think is the right word to say.
L: Mm.
Q: I — by the way, there’s a few notes I should — I should mention too that I forgot to mention. The contemporary family in Oklahoma also had Bell ancestry, which is one of the things that I put together with — you know, af(ter) (“AF”) researching the Bell Witch. And, of course, that whole business with the angel Michael. (“AN”) Seeing how the angel Michael was so prominent in all the various cases made me research that area. And especially one book in particular, A Dictionary of Angels by Gustav Davidson, led me to the conclusion that most of the archangel stories with all the different names all can be traced back to (“JUST”) the One/Son of God Mighael. In fact, I — I noticed on your show last evening’s guest and just to give you a sample I’ll read the beginning of the ‘Satan’ explanation here in the book. It says:
L: Um-huh.
Q: And I’m — in fact, I’m reading one of those books at the moment. (“BUT”) In my case, what was going on with the supernatural in Oklahoma — it was almost like ‘the tip of the iceberg.’ If you look beyond what people are saying and through what the events are communicating, you find a much more pronounced meaning. (“WW”) In my case, in Oklahoma I saw wasps (“IN”) inside the house and then when I came back I was — instead of nothing happening like I thought it would just stay in Oklahoma, the events were escalating. For example, (“I’VE A”) I have a friend who was working as a psychic reader at the time named Fiona. I called her and she said, “Oh, a magnet just flew off my refrigerator.” Even th(ough) — even though she’s kind of used to things like that. So then I — my friend Marie. I was telling her about how this (or “THIS”) Spirit ‘Michael’ would take money from people who lived in the house like a dollar here or five dollars there and how the family would always be upset that he would take their money. Well she told me that her bank account had been cleared out.
L: Jeese.
Q: Right. So — and it was — and I’m convinced it was the same Teacher. So at the slide show I went to, my friend Charlotte said — was saying things like, “The man in the Hawaiian shirt was our tour leader.” And then my friend Patty said, “My new car is a Saturn.” And I realized that the Entity was communicating with me through the subconscious minds of other people and I was almost being trained to understand the Superconscious mind. And, of course, having to deal with us humans on a very primitive — primitive level, some of the best places to manifest are in ‘haunted houses’ and places where you expect un (or “UN”) — unusual things to occur. Or what we think is unusual.
L: Hm.
Q: So, for example, before I went to Oklahoma I would have a feeling of somebody grabbing my leg at night, which I always explained to myself as some kind of muscle contraction. But then when I came back and it happened, it meant something else. So I remember — I started remembering things. I remembered (“YEAH”) my raptures that I had experienced. I remembered my — the two burning bushes that had gone up in flames on the hill outside my condo. I was trying to put everything together. I went to my Columbia Viking Desk Encyclopedia and it was talking about Jesus. I (“SO”) — I was thinking “Maybe I’m the reincarnation of Jesus” with all this — nails and burning bushes and mountains and commandments. Oh, that’s something else I should mention. I was getting messages over the television. First of all, I wasn’t allowed to watch TV. When I would start watching TV, it would be turned off. The Unseen Presence would turn off the TV. However, sometimes it would come on by itself. I remember one early morning there was an old “Topper” movie that was on TV. There was a bag of oranges. And — and then there was a commercial one time that came on saying, “Love is the only religion.” There was a rose parade float that once came on. (“O[F]” or “AA”) Some big lion. Colin Powell came on once which was bizarre — just for a few minutes and then clicked off. I still haven’t quite decided what that was supposed to mean. But, you know, I was experiencing — oh wh(at) — (“I”) the main experience I had with the TV was (“ONCE” “WE’RE AA”) before I realized I couldn’t watch TV I turned on the MTV documentary (“SERIES”) series “The Real World.”
L: Okay, now what I’m going to do, I’m going to take —
Q: Okay.
L: — a short break. We’ll talk about what happened with that.
Q: Okay.
L: We’re going to take a short break and when we return to “The Lou Gentile Show” we’ll be speaking more with tonight’s guest Mark Russell Bell, author/researcher and former Hollywood publicity manager — talking about talking poltergeists, paranormal activity and the spirit world. And we are going to be taking your calls very shortly toll-free (gives number). Write that number down. That’s (gives number). We’ll be back to “The Lou Gentile Show” right after this. (commercials for Pet Trainer, Raduga Broadcasting Software, and Millenianet) And welcome back to “The Lou Gentile Show” broadcasting live. We’re speaking tonight with Mark Russell Bell, author, researcher and former Hollywood publicity manager. We’re talking tonight about talking poltergeists, paranormal activities, the spirit world, different paranormal experiences that Mark has had throughout his life. Mark, welcome back.
Q: Hi, Lou.
L: Now do — do you find that you’re (“AA” “YOU”) — you seem like you’re probably very sensitive to paranormal or psychic or kinetic type of energies or emotions. ([archive tape only] “YES”) Is that true, would you think?
Q: I’m very ‘aware’ of it. I think is the right word to say.
L: Mm.
Q: I — by the way, there’s a few notes I should — I should mention too that I forgot to mention. The contemporary family in Oklahoma also had Bell ancestry, which is one of the things that I put together with — you know, af(ter) (“AF”) researching the Bell Witch. And, of course, that whole business with the angel Michael. (“AN”) Seeing how the angel Michael was so prominent in all the various cases made me research that area. And especially one book in particular, A Dictionary of Angels by Gustav Davidson, led me to the conclusion that most of the archangel stories with all the different names all can be traced back to (“JUST”) the One/Son of God Mighael. In fact, I — I noticed on your show last evening’s guest and just to give you a sample I’ll read the beginning of the ‘Satan’ explanation here in the book. It says:
Satan—the Hebrew meaning of the word is “adversary.” In Numbers 22:22 the angel of the Lord stands against Balaam “for an adversary” (satan). In other Old Testament books (Job, I Chronicles, Psalms, Zechariah) the term likewise designates an office: and the angel investing that office is not apostate or fallen. He becomes such starting in early New Testament times and writings, when he emerges as Satan (capital S).
L: Did you listen to last night’s show?
Q: No, I didn’t.
L: Okay. What — what’s your — I thought maybe you did. Did — what’s your — what’s your take on — on Satanism?
Q: Well I believe that for some people it’s a projection of wanting excitement and fun and it’s just an alternative metaphor for them. I, myself, have encountered a very, very diabolical evil consciousness —
L: Um-huh.
Q: — once when I — once after I came back from Oklahoma and all these things were going on around me, my brother and (“MM”) — and some friends were very concerned, needless to say, and I ended up in this small — well I thought it was going to be a resort in Palm Springs but it ended out to be sort of like this bizarre mental place for observa(tion) — (“WHEN I”) where I went for observation. And here in this facility the other people there including the staff were hallucinating. I mean there were — there were bizarre things. (“LIKE”) For example, I remember one of the other patients asking me, “Well what do you think is going on with you?” And at the time I said, “Possessed by God.” And he got up and immediately went to report back to whoever he was reporting back to.
L: Jeese. I — I —
Q: So I mean I still to this day have a lot of — this happened in Alhambra. And i(t) —
L: Alright, I got to take a short break.
Q: Okay.
L: We’ve got to take a short break and we’ll be back to “The Lou Gentile Show.” We are taking your calls at the top of the hour. (gives number) That’s (gives number). We’ll be right back after this brief commercial announcement. (a commercial for IBC’s cultmoviesonline.com is followed by a portion of an IBC commercial) Oh maybe I’ll get that right. Very confusing.
Q: No, I didn’t.
L: Okay. What — what’s your — I thought maybe you did. Did — what’s your — what’s your take on — on Satanism?
Q: Well I believe that for some people it’s a projection of wanting excitement and fun and it’s just an alternative metaphor for them. I, myself, have encountered a very, very diabolical evil consciousness —
L: Um-huh.
Q: — once when I — once after I came back from Oklahoma and all these things were going on around me, my brother and (“MM”) — and some friends were very concerned, needless to say, and I ended up in this small — well I thought it was going to be a resort in Palm Springs but it ended out to be sort of like this bizarre mental place for observa(tion) — (“WHEN I”) where I went for observation. And here in this facility the other people there including the staff were hallucinating. I mean there were — there were bizarre things. (“LIKE”) For example, I remember one of the other patients asking me, “Well what do you think is going on with you?” And at the time I said, “Possessed by God.” And he got up and immediately went to report back to whoever he was reporting back to.
L: Jeese. I — I —
Q: So I mean I still to this day have a lot of — this happened in Alhambra. And i(t) —
L: Alright, I got to take a short break.
Q: Okay.
L: We’ve got to take a short break and we’ll be back to “The Lou Gentile Show.” We are taking your calls at the top of the hour. (gives number) That’s (gives number). We’ll be right back after this brief commercial announcement. (a commercial for IBC’s cultmoviesonline.com is followed by a portion of an IBC commercial) Oh maybe I’ll get that right. Very confusing.
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