RADIO CALL — TAPE #769 & #771 EXCERPTS
Q: Mark Russell Bell
G: Gina, “Coast to Coast AM” screener
C: commercial spokesman
B: Barbara Simpson, host of “Coast to Coast AM”
N: Glen, caller from Nashville
K: Karen Boren, guest
J: Jerry, caller from Arizona
L: Leon, caller from Tulare, California
M: Glynis McCants, guest
G: George Noory, host of “Coast to Coast AM”
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I CALLED “COAST TO COAST AM” EARLY IN THE MORNING ON JANUARY 6, 2003.)
G: “Coast to Coast AM”
Q: Good evening.
G: Hi. What can I do for you?
Q: Yes, I had a question.
G: What’s your question?
Q: I thought it would be interesting to ask a philosophical question at this point in the show.
G: What is the question?
Q: What does the guest — wh(at) — if the guest today wanted to prove her love to God, (“WHAT WOU”) how would she do that? In her own life?
G: And what?
Q: How would she (“DO THE”) do that in her own life after her experiences?
G: Okay. And what’s your name?
Q: Mark.
G: Mark, where are you calling from?
Q: I’m calling from Los Angeles.
[2021 UPDATE: I WOULD SPECIFY EITHER "LOS ANGELES," "CANOGA PARK" OR "THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY" WHEN CALLING TO PARTICIPATE. THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY IS COMMONLY CONSIDERED PART OF THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES AND IS SERVICED BY LOS ANGELES DEPARTMENTS OF WATER AND POWER, SANITATION, ETC.]
G: Okay. Hang on the line and we’ll get to you as soon as we can. I need you to keep your radio off.
Q: All right.
G: Okay. And she might not come to you by name. She might just say, “Wild card — ”
Q: Okay.
G: “— you’re on.” And then you’ll hear a ssshhh — like that kind of a noise in your phone —
Q: All right.
G: — and you’ll know that it’s you.
Q: What’s your name, by the way?
G: My name’s Gina.
Q: Okay, thank you.
G: Thank you, Mark. Hang on the line.
Q: Okay.
C: . . . out, I guess.
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B: We have a lot of people on the line, Karen, so I want to get right to the phone and try to get everybody in. Let’s go to the east of the Rockies line. Caller, where are you?
N: Yeah, this is Glen. I’m in Nashville.
B: Hi, Glen. Go ahead.
N: And your guest had made a statement earlier about the Antichrist ruling the world.
B: Um-huh.
N: And Hilton — Hal Lindsey had made the same mistake with Art Bell earlier this year. And then the second time he was on Art Bell, he corrected that statement and Hil(ton) — Dr. Hilton Sutton, which is probably the foremost prophecy teacher in the United States, is a good friend of mine. And I asked Hilton. I said, “Why did Hal make that mistake the first time and then the second time he’s on he corrected it?”
B: Now which mistake was it he made?
N: That the Antichrist was going to rule the whole world.
B: Oh, okay.
N: And — and Hilton said, “Because Hal was in one of my meetings and heard me teach on that and realized that the Bible didn’t say that. The Bible says the Antichrist will rule one-third of the world, which is the European area and the Mediterranean area.” . . . Not going to rule the Arab nations or India or China or any of that. That’s why China and them come against him in the battle of Armageddon — is because of that. Because of him trying to expand and take over but he’s not actually ruling the whole world. The whole world . . .
B: Okay. Karen, you have a response to that?
K: Yeah. I’m — I’m just flipping stuff. I can’t — trying to find the place where it says that he would — it’s in the Bible and it says that he would rule everything except three places. And Edom was one of them. And they were actually — all three referring (“TO”) — you know Seir and Edom and I can’t remember the other. So I’m — I’m real curious . . .
N: I can’t give — I can’t give you the exact area in the Bible (“WHERE”) where that is but if you — if you know of Hilton Sutton and know of any of his teaching, he’s really an expert teacher on prophecy. And it says just as plain as day in the Bible that the Antichrist does not rule the whole world. And Hal Lindsey made that mistake the first time on Art Bell . . .
B: Okay. Well you said that. Le(t) — let’s — we’ll check it out. You know, part of the problem (“WW”) with some of this is that you have people who are experts and they have what they say and then you have other people who interpret it differently. And I think that’s one of the biggest problems that you have with any of this. A lot of it, unless you have absolute, flat-out, undeniable proof, is interpretation and that can differ. Don’t you find that, Karen?
K: Yeah, tha(t) — yeah bu(t) I — I will — does Sutton have a website because I’ll — I’ll go looking.
B: Well he said his name was Hilton Sutton. (“I”)
K: Hilton Sutton.
B: I don’t know.
K: I’ll check it out.
B: Okay.
K: Oh — okay, let me tell you the scripture. It’s Daniel 11:41 and it says, “He”—meaning the Antichrist—”shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom and Moab, and (the chief of) the children of Ammon.” So that’s . . .
B: Where is that now?
K: Yeah, that’s what I based mine on.
B: Yeah but where is that?
K: That’s — that’s modern-day Jordan. “Edom and Moab and the children of Ammon.” That’s Jordan. (“JUS”)
B: So Jordan is the only place that’s going to be free?
K: Well that’s what it sounds like to me. (“HUHO”) It says many countries will be overthrown but these will escape his hand. (“FOE”)
B: Any sense of when that’s going to happen and who the Antichrist is?
K: I think that we’re going to see him pop up — I think that Gog and Magog battle that was mentioned in Ezekiel is going to happen anytime. (“ANY”) George Bush could trigger it for us. You know, if he invades Iraq, the first thing they’re going to do is lob a missile at Israel and Israel is not going to sit and take 39 scuds again.
B: No. (or “NO”)
K: And bingo, he has — he has lit a tinderbox.
B: Let’s go to —
K: Scares me to death.
B: Let’s go to the west of the Rockies line. Caller, where are you and what’s your name?
J: My name is Jerry and I’m in Arizona.
B: Hi, Jerry. Go ahead.
J: HI, how are you? Hello, Barbara and thank you for having me on your show.
B: You’re very welcome.
J: And Karen, I appreciate you being here. I want to first of all say that — something that a lot of Christians are starting to see — that — at least have experiences. Judaism has always been a messianic faith and messiah has always been a Jewish concept. Something I wanted to bring out today is that when you look up bareishis or genesis in the English from the Greek translation and 1st John 11, you have “In the beginning God created the heaven and the Earth.” You know, when you go to 1st John: “In the beginning was the word” — well you have bareishis, which is the first word. And “in the beginning” in Genesis or Bareishis — the first word is bareishis, which means “in the beginning.” Now according to Benjamin Bleech who wrote The Secrets of Hebrew Words, he says each letter in the word bereishis comprised the word which comprised all of God’s creation. Now the word is Yahushua or Y’shua or some people call him Jesus. And then you go to John 11 and you see the same thing: the word “in the beginning” — the first word was Y’shua/Yahushua.
K: Oh I love that. I’ve — I’ve got that book.
J: Oh you do?
K: Yeah. Fabulous book.
J: And I also have — have you see George Howard’s The — The Hebrew Gospel Matthew?
K: No.
J: What’s interesting — a lot of things — this is something interesting that I hadn’t heard before but George Howard says in his book — is also a gentleman named Dwight Pryor states is that Eusebius said, “We did the best we could translating the New Testament from the Hebrew to the Greek.” So my belief is that since the first believers of the messiah were the Nazarene Jews, I believe that there’s a possibility of the Nazarene writings being actually discovered. I think that would be a great discovery.
K: Oh wouldn’t that be fabulous? I (or “I”) — like Barbara says. All these things coming to light are so exciting. That would be one worth hanging on to see.
B: Oh boy. Thank you, Jerry, very much. Good to hear from you. That — that’s — have you found, Karen, as — as you’ve read because you — you said you have so many books — that a lot of them are — are — are, in fact, valid or are they people who’ve kind of gone off the deep end in their own little corner of research?
K: Oh no, I — I — no. I — (“I”) you know, having been a former newspaper writer —
B: Yeah.
K: You know (or “YOU KNOW” “I”) I have to have people that are pretty grounded. (“EAH”) And I (or “I”) — and, you know, whether they’re Jewish or Christian, (“THEY”) they’ve got to — they’ve got to be grounded so no, I — (“NO” “THE”) they’re — they’re pretty solid people. Pretty solid research.
B: Good. I mean that — that’s really important when you — when you’re dealing with subjects of the — the scope of what we’re talking about and what it could mean if, in fact, it’s proven to be true.
K: Yeah.
B: So . . . it’s got to be accurate. At least you hope so.
K: Yes. (or “YES”)
B: Let’s go to the wild card line and who are you, caller, and where are you?
L: Hi, my name is Leon. I’m in Tulare, California.
B: Okay, go ahead.
L: I wanted — wanted to say happy new year to — to you and your guest.
B: Thank you.
L: It’s a very good show tonight.
B: Thank you.
L: A couple of things I wanted to throw out there for you to ponder. There was a couple comments tonight about why Christians are so steadfast in — in what they believe. And I think that’s really worth something bringing up. There are many religions in the world that have quite a long history but I just don’t think that there’s anything that has stacked up the — the substantial group of evidence that just keeps coming up. Like your guest said, we keep finding more and more artifacts but —
B: Yeah.
L: — having said that, throughout the Bible the whole concept of coming to know God is a faith-based thing. So I don’t think that we’ll ever get to that point — I don’t think God will allow us to ever get to the point where, you know, it’s — it’s written across the skies that — that this is the way until His return.
B: Um-huh.
L: And so I think there’s a lot of people looking for that factual evidence and I think we should as far as archaeology and all that but, you know, we have to look at that — at that faith factor that God says, you know, through His Son is the only way. And along with that there’ve been several people calling in saying, “Well I’m Christian” or something like that. And I’d kind of like to hear your — your guest talk about what I would consider the delusion of the — or the — the — the breaking down of the word Christian. And I’ll give you an example of that. I — I haven’t experienced this my — myself but I’ve heard several people saying when traveling through the Middle East if you’re in many of the — the other countries such as Saudi Arabia or something like that and you say that you’re a Christian, it’s instantly taboo. They don’t want to talk to you. However, if you say you’re a follower of Christ, it’s a whole another story. There are many religions even in this country that claim themselves to be Christian but as somebody who — as myself is a follower of Christ, I always ask people when they say they are Christian, “Well — well what do you believe?” For instance, you had a caller back there a while ago that said he was a Christian and when it came to breaking down what his actual beliefs were, he was lost.
B: Yeah, he was.
L: And I, you know, you know, as something with the magnitude of — of all of us people on this planet trying one day when it’s — when it’s all over or whatever happens or — or we — we suffer our individual death and, you know, we hope to — to go in this afterlife and — and meet God, gaining — gain an understanding of everything that’s happened, it’s pretty important, you know, to really find and seek that way. And your guest made a comment that I really appreciate — I do respect anybody that’s out there seeking and trying to find (“YOU KNOW”) that way — how — what is it we go through, how do we get to God? But the Bible is very specific and it says that He is the only way and that’s coming to know Him through His Son Christ. And —
B: Okay. Thank you for that. Karen, there — there are a lot of people who are seeking something and they really don’t know — they don’t even know what they’re looking for.
K: Yeah, that’s true. And — and (“NO”) he made an interesting comment about, you know, we — we can’t be evidence-based and yet I think there are two places in the Bible: Isaiah and Habakkuk where it says that — that there will come a time when the knowledge of God will cover the Earth like water — you know (or “YOU KNOW”) like the waters. And it is not going to convince anybody. I think if — if Noah’s Ark suddenly surfaced and I — I — I actually think that it already has — and if you had the — (“NO”) the true cross. If you — all of these things are not going convince anybody. They’ll find a way to explain it away.
B: Sure. Absolutely.
K: It — it has to be faith . . .
B: No, I — it is. To me, that’s the key to the whole thing because you can present all of the information and all of the doctrine of — of (“YOU KNOW”) whatever religion, even Christianity that you’re following and if a person doesn’t accept it, they don’t accept it. You know, I mean you can’t force them.
K: No.
B: They can fake it. (“BUT”) Ultimately, you can’t even fake it. We have another caller on the wild card line. (BEEP) Hi, caller. Where are you?
Q: Los Angeles.
B: And what’s your name?
Q: This is Mark.
B: Hi, Mark. Go ahead please.
Q: Hi, Karen and Barbara.
B: Um-huh.
Q: I think the most important thing in this kind of research is how it is manifested in one’s life so at this point in the game how would (“U”) — let’s say that God indicated somehow to you — and you can, Bar(bara) — answer this too, Barbara, if you will — to prove love, for example, how would you go about doing such a thing?
B: To prove what?
Q: Love.
B: Love?
Q: Yes. Love of God?
B: Oh. All right. Love of God. Karen?
K: Well —
B: How do you prove love of God?
K: Well do you know what? Jesus said, “If you love me, keep my commandments.” I mean I — I try to do that and I try to — to love other people; to, you know, accept them where they are; to not be judgmental but basically it’s “If you love me, keep my commandments.” And I try. I — I fail a lot but I try.
B: That — listen, that — that’s one of the toughest things and, as I said earlier today to somebody, “It’s not a multiple choice test.” (laughs) There are ten commandments and you’re supposed to follow all of them. How — how do you — I would agree with — with Karen, Mark. You know. You prove your love by what you do. You — you don’t see love. You see the manifestation of love. Even between a man and a woman or a mother and a child and certainly between a human and God. Would you find something else in that?
Q: Well personally for me, the way I go about that is looking for various signs and then trying to walk with Spirit in fulfilling His will through those signs.
B: What kind of signs would you be looking for?
Q: Jus(t) (or “JUS”) — well I believe that God speaks to us all through other people’s subconscious minds, so — a(nd) — (“ENSUE”) through synchronicity so sometimes I’m led to do or like let’s say this call tonight —
B: Um-huh.
Q: — and perhaps inquire about these rather esoteric things yet in my own experience it’s a day-to-day — ordeal at times.
B: Um-huh. (or “UM-HUH”)
Q: I don’t know if your guest is familiar with the — the testament.org website but I think that pretty much indicates how things are.
B: Okay. Well thank you.
K: I will check that out.
B: I appreciate it.
Q: Okay.
B: It — it is a (line disconnected)
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) So now Barbara has a new opportunity. I made that call near the end of the show. It’s a five hour show on the weekends so before 3 a.m. here on the West Coast. I was thinking about Barbara because on the previous night her guest was Glynis McCants, ‘the numbers lady.’ Anyway, I wasn’t even planning on calling so soon but I woke up before 2:30 — (“OR”) it was — I guess it was after 2. Just after 2. Or was it before that? No, I think it was near the end of the previous hour because just as I woke up I turned on the radio and I heard lyrics from the Toto song “Africa.” Just before the commercial, there were the lyrics:
. . . Hurry boy it’s waiting there for you
Q: It was very clear what was meant. So it was the middle of a windstorm. Well you heard — I got through by calling the new local number on the wild card line. Well I might as well play an excerpt from last night’s show to give you an idea. The reception wasn’t very good.
B: . . . Do you help people select a stage name?
M: Well I have people who give me options of names they’re considering —
B: Yeah.
M: — and I’ll pick the best numbers for them.
B: Hmm.
M: Um-huh. But they can learn how to do that.
B: It’s purely the number and not the name?
M: That’s correct. I mean each letter has a number so it’s —
B: Yeah.
M: — what it adds up to. Example — looking at your name ‘Barbara Simpson.’
B: Um-huh.
M: When the vowels go above the name it gets a first number. When you add the vowels across and break it down, in your case it became a nine.
B: Um-huh.
M: Nine tells me family means a lot to you.
B: Um-huh.
M: And it also tells me you have to resolve old issues from family.
B: Um-huh.
M: It could be as a child feeling unloved or abandoned. And whatever it was, it’s in your soul so it’s something you needed to overcome. And then when you add the consonants below it became a four. Well I told you four is seeking knowledge, a strong need to know; ‘A plus B must equal C.’
B: Mmm, that’s true.
M: When you add your vowels and consonants together, you get the power of the name. With Barbara Simpson, power of the name is a four, which is a natural match for your life path and that’s why it’s a good name for you.
B: Really?
M: Oh yeah but you know what? Barbara Rose Allen wouldn’t be.
B: Mmm.
M: Even though that’s your birth certificate name. Your parents did not do you any favor.
B: (small laugh)
M: Leave it to those parents.
B: You can always blame Mommy and Daddy. That’s for sure. (laughs)
M: Right on. No but I’m serious. What they did was they gave you unnecessary drama.
B: Mmm.
M: And that means a lot of drama has happened that’s interfered with where you’re trying to go.
B: Oh my life is filled with drama. (laughs)
M: Well there — then “Thanks, Mom; thanks, Dad.”
B: Well they’re pretty dramatic too.
M: Well they like it. That’s why they gave it to you: “Join us, won’t you?”
B: (laughs) Oh I knew there was another reason to get angry at my parents, right?
M: There you go . . . I’m just saying Barbara Simpson is a powerful name for your life path. It — it complements you.
B: Do — do you — when people are getting married then —
M: Yes.
B: — are you saying that the woman particularly who traditionally has changed her name to the man’s name —
M: Right.
B: — is that something that —
M: I would prefer . . .
B: — she should consider not doing? (“IT”)
M: It removes their connection. Let’s say when they’re dating they’ve got three numbers out of five in common — tha(t) — I call that, that soulmate connection because it means good or bad when it’s over it’s never over.
B: Um-huh.
M: And then suddenly she’s going to alter her name and it becomes toxic or maybe . . . they have no numbers suddenly. I’m not going to encourage that. I don’t want that. I — when you fall in love with someone, you’re falling in love with an energy.
B: Wait a moment, you said you’re not going to encourage . . .
Q: Well that sounds a little wacky to me. A little extreme. There are such a thing as self-fulfilled prophecies, after all. So I’m glad that Barbara has a sense of humor. I wonder if she understands.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I DIALED “COAST TO COAST AM” IN THE EARLY MORNING OF SATURDAY FEBRUARY 15TH, CALLING AFTER MIDNIGHT WHEN THE OPEN LINES PORTION OF THE SHOW BEGAN, FOLLOWING A TWO HOUR INTERVIEW WITH FORMER U.N. WEAPONS INSPECTOR WILLIAM TIERNEY THAT I DIDN’T HEAR. FRIDAY, VALENTINE’S DAY, HAD BEEN THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEKEND’S CONSCIOUS LIVING EXPO AT THE LOS ANGELES AIRPORT HILTON, WHERE I WAS AN EXHIBITOR. THE FOLLOWING DAY, I RECORDED OVER A PORTION OF THE TAPE DUE TO MY SONY MICROCASSETTE-CORDER M-950’S AUTO REVERSE CAPACITY. THE LOST INTERVIEW MATERIAL INCLUDED MY CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF THE NEW LOS ANGELES-BASED CALL SCREENERS OF “COAST TO COAST AM” THE SCREENER ASKED ME MY AGE AND THEN MY BIRTH DATE BEFORE PLACING ME ON HOLD. WHILE I LISTENED TO THE BROADCAST THROUGH THE TELEPHONE, THE SCREENER RETURNED TO THE LINE TWICE, FIRST TELLING ME TO “HANG IN THERE, MARK” AND THEN, WHEN THE CALLER BEFORE ME HESITATED AT THE BEGINNING OF HER CALL, HE INSTRUCTED ME TO “JUMP RIGHT IN WHEN HE GOES TO YOU.” TRANSCRIBING RECENT RADIO CALLS HAS MADE ME AWARE THAT CURRENT BROADCAST TECHNOLOGY FAVORS THE HOST COMMENTS OVER THOSE OF THE CALLER, MAKING THE LATTER PRACTICALLY INAUDIBLE DURING CROSSTALK.)
G: . . . Let’s go to our wild card (BEEP) (line). You’re on “Coast to Coast.” Hi there.
Q: Hi, George.
G: Yeah.
Q: So after all these weird stories and you’ve been hosting “Coast to Coast” for a while now, I think it would be interesting for us to find out if you consider yourself any further along in developing spiritual understanding — ‘connecting the dots,’ so to speak. The reason —
G: Well I always — I always thought that I was pretty far (“ALL”) around even before I came on to “Coast to Coast.”
Q: Yeah, because — the reason why I ask is a Conscious Living Expo started today over at the LAX Airport Hilton and — well I have a booth and I’m very disturbed by some of the things I hear people say like “I don’t read.” I mean it’s hard for people to distinguish when something is worthwhile. You’ve got so many booths. You’ve got Maitreya, Scientology, Urantia. So I think it’s so important for people like yourself to share with others their process of arriving at the truth. In my case, what I try to do is convey to others how it’s possible to achieve — oh I guess the word is redemption during this lifetime, which is not very easy. And I’m al(so) —
G: Well do you know what — do you know what I had to start off? And I — and — and — and not a lot of people are fortunate enough. But I had two parents who cared about me as a child. And, you know, they — they disciplined me when they had to. And they let me be my own person. They let me make my own mistakes. They guided me when they had to. They picked me up when they had to. And I think that helped form, for me, the foundation that I have today. I really do.
Q: Okay. And I know that you don’t believe in coincidences.
G: No.
Q: Or —
G: Not at all.
Q: Or I guess co-incidences is the better word.
G: (small laugh)
Q: But I saw a man who — he was wearing this T-shirt that said, “My life is in ruins.” And I — so I interviewed him and it turns out he’s an archaeologist. (“WHO” “WHO”) Obviously, he’s obsessed with ruins.
G: Right. Right. I would’ve taken it the way you did — that he thought his life was all screwed up.
Q: But I’m always looking too for connections with the Superconscious Mind.
G: Yeah.
Q: So when I see a T-shirt like that, I see there’s another meaning there possibly as well.
G: Sure.
Q: Especially when on the freeway you see — I continue to see those pest control trucks —
G: (small laugh)
Q: — along with the hearts and everything else.
G: Yeah. Yeah.
Q: And — in fact, at my booth I have (“AA”) a photo from NASA of that big valentine on Mars, which is sort of reassuring because I do think that the main lesson is (“AA”) Love.
G: Do you have much faith in the — the spirituality of the people on this planet?
Q: Yes I do because they get a lot of help. And I just think that people have got to start thinking for themselves because there is so much disinformation or just incorrect information out there. You have to remember that this is a day and age when people get most of their information from little boxes that they stare into for many, many hours.
G: Yeah. Well that’s (“YEAH”) true (line disconnected) but as long as they listen to little boxes that come into their ears, that’s all that matters. Hey, thanks for that call. Let’s go to our special topic line. Your turn on “Coast to Coast.” Hi there . . .
G: “Coast to Coast AM”
Q: Good evening.
G: Hi. What can I do for you?
Q: Yes, I had a question.
G: What’s your question?
Q: I thought it would be interesting to ask a philosophical question at this point in the show.
G: What is the question?
Q: What does the guest — wh(at) — if the guest today wanted to prove her love to God, (“WHAT WOU”) how would she do that? In her own life?
G: And what?
Q: How would she (“DO THE”) do that in her own life after her experiences?
G: Okay. And what’s your name?
Q: Mark.
G: Mark, where are you calling from?
Q: I’m calling from Los Angeles.
[2021 UPDATE: I WOULD SPECIFY EITHER "LOS ANGELES," "CANOGA PARK" OR "THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY" WHEN CALLING TO PARTICIPATE. THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY IS COMMONLY CONSIDERED PART OF THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES AND IS SERVICED BY LOS ANGELES DEPARTMENTS OF WATER AND POWER, SANITATION, ETC.]
G: Okay. Hang on the line and we’ll get to you as soon as we can. I need you to keep your radio off.
Q: All right.
G: Okay. And she might not come to you by name. She might just say, “Wild card — ”
Q: Okay.
G: “— you’re on.” And then you’ll hear a ssshhh — like that kind of a noise in your phone —
Q: All right.
G: — and you’ll know that it’s you.
Q: What’s your name, by the way?
G: My name’s Gina.
Q: Okay, thank you.
G: Thank you, Mark. Hang on the line.
Q: Okay.
C: . . . out, I guess.
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B: We have a lot of people on the line, Karen, so I want to get right to the phone and try to get everybody in. Let’s go to the east of the Rockies line. Caller, where are you?
N: Yeah, this is Glen. I’m in Nashville.
B: Hi, Glen. Go ahead.
N: And your guest had made a statement earlier about the Antichrist ruling the world.
B: Um-huh.
N: And Hilton — Hal Lindsey had made the same mistake with Art Bell earlier this year. And then the second time he was on Art Bell, he corrected that statement and Hil(ton) — Dr. Hilton Sutton, which is probably the foremost prophecy teacher in the United States, is a good friend of mine. And I asked Hilton. I said, “Why did Hal make that mistake the first time and then the second time he’s on he corrected it?”
B: Now which mistake was it he made?
N: That the Antichrist was going to rule the whole world.
B: Oh, okay.
N: And — and Hilton said, “Because Hal was in one of my meetings and heard me teach on that and realized that the Bible didn’t say that. The Bible says the Antichrist will rule one-third of the world, which is the European area and the Mediterranean area.” . . . Not going to rule the Arab nations or India or China or any of that. That’s why China and them come against him in the battle of Armageddon — is because of that. Because of him trying to expand and take over but he’s not actually ruling the whole world. The whole world . . .
B: Okay. Karen, you have a response to that?
K: Yeah. I’m — I’m just flipping stuff. I can’t — trying to find the place where it says that he would — it’s in the Bible and it says that he would rule everything except three places. And Edom was one of them. And they were actually — all three referring (“TO”) — you know Seir and Edom and I can’t remember the other. So I’m — I’m real curious . . .
N: I can’t give — I can’t give you the exact area in the Bible (“WHERE”) where that is but if you — if you know of Hilton Sutton and know of any of his teaching, he’s really an expert teacher on prophecy. And it says just as plain as day in the Bible that the Antichrist does not rule the whole world. And Hal Lindsey made that mistake the first time on Art Bell . . .
B: Okay. Well you said that. Le(t) — let’s — we’ll check it out. You know, part of the problem (“WW”) with some of this is that you have people who are experts and they have what they say and then you have other people who interpret it differently. And I think that’s one of the biggest problems that you have with any of this. A lot of it, unless you have absolute, flat-out, undeniable proof, is interpretation and that can differ. Don’t you find that, Karen?
K: Yeah, tha(t) — yeah bu(t) I — I will — does Sutton have a website because I’ll — I’ll go looking.
B: Well he said his name was Hilton Sutton. (“I”)
K: Hilton Sutton.
B: I don’t know.
K: I’ll check it out.
B: Okay.
K: Oh — okay, let me tell you the scripture. It’s Daniel 11:41 and it says, “He”—meaning the Antichrist—”shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom and Moab, and (the chief of) the children of Ammon.” So that’s . . .
B: Where is that now?
K: Yeah, that’s what I based mine on.
B: Yeah but where is that?
K: That’s — that’s modern-day Jordan. “Edom and Moab and the children of Ammon.” That’s Jordan. (“JUS”)
B: So Jordan is the only place that’s going to be free?
K: Well that’s what it sounds like to me. (“HUHO”) It says many countries will be overthrown but these will escape his hand. (“FOE”)
B: Any sense of when that’s going to happen and who the Antichrist is?
K: I think that we’re going to see him pop up — I think that Gog and Magog battle that was mentioned in Ezekiel is going to happen anytime. (“ANY”) George Bush could trigger it for us. You know, if he invades Iraq, the first thing they’re going to do is lob a missile at Israel and Israel is not going to sit and take 39 scuds again.
B: No. (or “NO”)
K: And bingo, he has — he has lit a tinderbox.
B: Let’s go to —
K: Scares me to death.
B: Let’s go to the west of the Rockies line. Caller, where are you and what’s your name?
J: My name is Jerry and I’m in Arizona.
B: Hi, Jerry. Go ahead.
J: HI, how are you? Hello, Barbara and thank you for having me on your show.
B: You’re very welcome.
J: And Karen, I appreciate you being here. I want to first of all say that — something that a lot of Christians are starting to see — that — at least have experiences. Judaism has always been a messianic faith and messiah has always been a Jewish concept. Something I wanted to bring out today is that when you look up bareishis or genesis in the English from the Greek translation and 1st John 11, you have “In the beginning God created the heaven and the Earth.” You know, when you go to 1st John: “In the beginning was the word” — well you have bareishis, which is the first word. And “in the beginning” in Genesis or Bareishis — the first word is bareishis, which means “in the beginning.” Now according to Benjamin Bleech who wrote The Secrets of Hebrew Words, he says each letter in the word bereishis comprised the word which comprised all of God’s creation. Now the word is Yahushua or Y’shua or some people call him Jesus. And then you go to John 11 and you see the same thing: the word “in the beginning” — the first word was Y’shua/Yahushua.
K: Oh I love that. I’ve — I’ve got that book.
J: Oh you do?
K: Yeah. Fabulous book.
J: And I also have — have you see George Howard’s The — The Hebrew Gospel Matthew?
K: No.
J: What’s interesting — a lot of things — this is something interesting that I hadn’t heard before but George Howard says in his book — is also a gentleman named Dwight Pryor states is that Eusebius said, “We did the best we could translating the New Testament from the Hebrew to the Greek.” So my belief is that since the first believers of the messiah were the Nazarene Jews, I believe that there’s a possibility of the Nazarene writings being actually discovered. I think that would be a great discovery.
K: Oh wouldn’t that be fabulous? I (or “I”) — like Barbara says. All these things coming to light are so exciting. That would be one worth hanging on to see.
B: Oh boy. Thank you, Jerry, very much. Good to hear from you. That — that’s — have you found, Karen, as — as you’ve read because you — you said you have so many books — that a lot of them are — are — are, in fact, valid or are they people who’ve kind of gone off the deep end in their own little corner of research?
K: Oh no, I — I — no. I — (“I”) you know, having been a former newspaper writer —
B: Yeah.
K: You know (or “YOU KNOW” “I”) I have to have people that are pretty grounded. (“EAH”) And I (or “I”) — and, you know, whether they’re Jewish or Christian, (“THEY”) they’ve got to — they’ve got to be grounded so no, I — (“NO” “THE”) they’re — they’re pretty solid people. Pretty solid research.
B: Good. I mean that — that’s really important when you — when you’re dealing with subjects of the — the scope of what we’re talking about and what it could mean if, in fact, it’s proven to be true.
K: Yeah.
B: So . . . it’s got to be accurate. At least you hope so.
K: Yes. (or “YES”)
B: Let’s go to the wild card line and who are you, caller, and where are you?
L: Hi, my name is Leon. I’m in Tulare, California.
B: Okay, go ahead.
L: I wanted — wanted to say happy new year to — to you and your guest.
B: Thank you.
L: It’s a very good show tonight.
B: Thank you.
L: A couple of things I wanted to throw out there for you to ponder. There was a couple comments tonight about why Christians are so steadfast in — in what they believe. And I think that’s really worth something bringing up. There are many religions in the world that have quite a long history but I just don’t think that there’s anything that has stacked up the — the substantial group of evidence that just keeps coming up. Like your guest said, we keep finding more and more artifacts but —
B: Yeah.
L: — having said that, throughout the Bible the whole concept of coming to know God is a faith-based thing. So I don’t think that we’ll ever get to that point — I don’t think God will allow us to ever get to the point where, you know, it’s — it’s written across the skies that — that this is the way until His return.
B: Um-huh.
L: And so I think there’s a lot of people looking for that factual evidence and I think we should as far as archaeology and all that but, you know, we have to look at that — at that faith factor that God says, you know, through His Son is the only way. And along with that there’ve been several people calling in saying, “Well I’m Christian” or something like that. And I’d kind of like to hear your — your guest talk about what I would consider the delusion of the — or the — the — the breaking down of the word Christian. And I’ll give you an example of that. I — I haven’t experienced this my — myself but I’ve heard several people saying when traveling through the Middle East if you’re in many of the — the other countries such as Saudi Arabia or something like that and you say that you’re a Christian, it’s instantly taboo. They don’t want to talk to you. However, if you say you’re a follower of Christ, it’s a whole another story. There are many religions even in this country that claim themselves to be Christian but as somebody who — as myself is a follower of Christ, I always ask people when they say they are Christian, “Well — well what do you believe?” For instance, you had a caller back there a while ago that said he was a Christian and when it came to breaking down what his actual beliefs were, he was lost.
B: Yeah, he was.
L: And I, you know, you know, as something with the magnitude of — of all of us people on this planet trying one day when it’s — when it’s all over or whatever happens or — or we — we suffer our individual death and, you know, we hope to — to go in this afterlife and — and meet God, gaining — gain an understanding of everything that’s happened, it’s pretty important, you know, to really find and seek that way. And your guest made a comment that I really appreciate — I do respect anybody that’s out there seeking and trying to find (“YOU KNOW”) that way — how — what is it we go through, how do we get to God? But the Bible is very specific and it says that He is the only way and that’s coming to know Him through His Son Christ. And —
B: Okay. Thank you for that. Karen, there — there are a lot of people who are seeking something and they really don’t know — they don’t even know what they’re looking for.
K: Yeah, that’s true. And — and (“NO”) he made an interesting comment about, you know, we — we can’t be evidence-based and yet I think there are two places in the Bible: Isaiah and Habakkuk where it says that — that there will come a time when the knowledge of God will cover the Earth like water — you know (or “YOU KNOW”) like the waters. And it is not going to convince anybody. I think if — if Noah’s Ark suddenly surfaced and I — I — I actually think that it already has — and if you had the — (“NO”) the true cross. If you — all of these things are not going convince anybody. They’ll find a way to explain it away.
B: Sure. Absolutely.
K: It — it has to be faith . . .
B: No, I — it is. To me, that’s the key to the whole thing because you can present all of the information and all of the doctrine of — of (“YOU KNOW”) whatever religion, even Christianity that you’re following and if a person doesn’t accept it, they don’t accept it. You know, I mean you can’t force them.
K: No.
B: They can fake it. (“BUT”) Ultimately, you can’t even fake it. We have another caller on the wild card line. (BEEP) Hi, caller. Where are you?
Q: Los Angeles.
B: And what’s your name?
Q: This is Mark.
B: Hi, Mark. Go ahead please.
Q: Hi, Karen and Barbara.
B: Um-huh.
Q: I think the most important thing in this kind of research is how it is manifested in one’s life so at this point in the game how would (“U”) — let’s say that God indicated somehow to you — and you can, Bar(bara) — answer this too, Barbara, if you will — to prove love, for example, how would you go about doing such a thing?
B: To prove what?
Q: Love.
B: Love?
Q: Yes. Love of God?
B: Oh. All right. Love of God. Karen?
K: Well —
B: How do you prove love of God?
K: Well do you know what? Jesus said, “If you love me, keep my commandments.” I mean I — I try to do that and I try to — to love other people; to, you know, accept them where they are; to not be judgmental but basically it’s “If you love me, keep my commandments.” And I try. I — I fail a lot but I try.
B: That — listen, that — that’s one of the toughest things and, as I said earlier today to somebody, “It’s not a multiple choice test.” (laughs) There are ten commandments and you’re supposed to follow all of them. How — how do you — I would agree with — with Karen, Mark. You know. You prove your love by what you do. You — you don’t see love. You see the manifestation of love. Even between a man and a woman or a mother and a child and certainly between a human and God. Would you find something else in that?
Q: Well personally for me, the way I go about that is looking for various signs and then trying to walk with Spirit in fulfilling His will through those signs.
B: What kind of signs would you be looking for?
Q: Jus(t) (or “JUS”) — well I believe that God speaks to us all through other people’s subconscious minds, so — a(nd) — (“ENSUE”) through synchronicity so sometimes I’m led to do or like let’s say this call tonight —
B: Um-huh.
Q: — and perhaps inquire about these rather esoteric things yet in my own experience it’s a day-to-day — ordeal at times.
B: Um-huh. (or “UM-HUH”)
Q: I don’t know if your guest is familiar with the — the testament.org website but I think that pretty much indicates how things are.
B: Okay. Well thank you.
K: I will check that out.
B: I appreciate it.
Q: Okay.
B: It — it is a (line disconnected)
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) So now Barbara has a new opportunity. I made that call near the end of the show. It’s a five hour show on the weekends so before 3 a.m. here on the West Coast. I was thinking about Barbara because on the previous night her guest was Glynis McCants, ‘the numbers lady.’ Anyway, I wasn’t even planning on calling so soon but I woke up before 2:30 — (“OR”) it was — I guess it was after 2. Just after 2. Or was it before that? No, I think it was near the end of the previous hour because just as I woke up I turned on the radio and I heard lyrics from the Toto song “Africa.” Just before the commercial, there were the lyrics:
. . . Hurry boy it’s waiting there for you
Q: It was very clear what was meant. So it was the middle of a windstorm. Well you heard — I got through by calling the new local number on the wild card line. Well I might as well play an excerpt from last night’s show to give you an idea. The reception wasn’t very good.
B: . . . Do you help people select a stage name?
M: Well I have people who give me options of names they’re considering —
B: Yeah.
M: — and I’ll pick the best numbers for them.
B: Hmm.
M: Um-huh. But they can learn how to do that.
B: It’s purely the number and not the name?
M: That’s correct. I mean each letter has a number so it’s —
B: Yeah.
M: — what it adds up to. Example — looking at your name ‘Barbara Simpson.’
B: Um-huh.
M: When the vowels go above the name it gets a first number. When you add the vowels across and break it down, in your case it became a nine.
B: Um-huh.
M: Nine tells me family means a lot to you.
B: Um-huh.
M: And it also tells me you have to resolve old issues from family.
B: Um-huh.
M: It could be as a child feeling unloved or abandoned. And whatever it was, it’s in your soul so it’s something you needed to overcome. And then when you add the consonants below it became a four. Well I told you four is seeking knowledge, a strong need to know; ‘A plus B must equal C.’
B: Mmm, that’s true.
M: When you add your vowels and consonants together, you get the power of the name. With Barbara Simpson, power of the name is a four, which is a natural match for your life path and that’s why it’s a good name for you.
B: Really?
M: Oh yeah but you know what? Barbara Rose Allen wouldn’t be.
B: Mmm.
M: Even though that’s your birth certificate name. Your parents did not do you any favor.
B: (small laugh)
M: Leave it to those parents.
B: You can always blame Mommy and Daddy. That’s for sure. (laughs)
M: Right on. No but I’m serious. What they did was they gave you unnecessary drama.
B: Mmm.
M: And that means a lot of drama has happened that’s interfered with where you’re trying to go.
B: Oh my life is filled with drama. (laughs)
M: Well there — then “Thanks, Mom; thanks, Dad.”
B: Well they’re pretty dramatic too.
M: Well they like it. That’s why they gave it to you: “Join us, won’t you?”
B: (laughs) Oh I knew there was another reason to get angry at my parents, right?
M: There you go . . . I’m just saying Barbara Simpson is a powerful name for your life path. It — it complements you.
B: Do — do you — when people are getting married then —
M: Yes.
B: — are you saying that the woman particularly who traditionally has changed her name to the man’s name —
M: Right.
B: — is that something that —
M: I would prefer . . .
B: — she should consider not doing? (“IT”)
M: It removes their connection. Let’s say when they’re dating they’ve got three numbers out of five in common — tha(t) — I call that, that soulmate connection because it means good or bad when it’s over it’s never over.
B: Um-huh.
M: And then suddenly she’s going to alter her name and it becomes toxic or maybe . . . they have no numbers suddenly. I’m not going to encourage that. I don’t want that. I — when you fall in love with someone, you’re falling in love with an energy.
B: Wait a moment, you said you’re not going to encourage . . .
Q: Well that sounds a little wacky to me. A little extreme. There are such a thing as self-fulfilled prophecies, after all. So I’m glad that Barbara has a sense of humor. I wonder if she understands.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I DIALED “COAST TO COAST AM” IN THE EARLY MORNING OF SATURDAY FEBRUARY 15TH, CALLING AFTER MIDNIGHT WHEN THE OPEN LINES PORTION OF THE SHOW BEGAN, FOLLOWING A TWO HOUR INTERVIEW WITH FORMER U.N. WEAPONS INSPECTOR WILLIAM TIERNEY THAT I DIDN’T HEAR. FRIDAY, VALENTINE’S DAY, HAD BEEN THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEKEND’S CONSCIOUS LIVING EXPO AT THE LOS ANGELES AIRPORT HILTON, WHERE I WAS AN EXHIBITOR. THE FOLLOWING DAY, I RECORDED OVER A PORTION OF THE TAPE DUE TO MY SONY MICROCASSETTE-CORDER M-950’S AUTO REVERSE CAPACITY. THE LOST INTERVIEW MATERIAL INCLUDED MY CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF THE NEW LOS ANGELES-BASED CALL SCREENERS OF “COAST TO COAST AM” THE SCREENER ASKED ME MY AGE AND THEN MY BIRTH DATE BEFORE PLACING ME ON HOLD. WHILE I LISTENED TO THE BROADCAST THROUGH THE TELEPHONE, THE SCREENER RETURNED TO THE LINE TWICE, FIRST TELLING ME TO “HANG IN THERE, MARK” AND THEN, WHEN THE CALLER BEFORE ME HESITATED AT THE BEGINNING OF HER CALL, HE INSTRUCTED ME TO “JUMP RIGHT IN WHEN HE GOES TO YOU.” TRANSCRIBING RECENT RADIO CALLS HAS MADE ME AWARE THAT CURRENT BROADCAST TECHNOLOGY FAVORS THE HOST COMMENTS OVER THOSE OF THE CALLER, MAKING THE LATTER PRACTICALLY INAUDIBLE DURING CROSSTALK.)
G: . . . Let’s go to our wild card (BEEP) (line). You’re on “Coast to Coast.” Hi there.
Q: Hi, George.
G: Yeah.
Q: So after all these weird stories and you’ve been hosting “Coast to Coast” for a while now, I think it would be interesting for us to find out if you consider yourself any further along in developing spiritual understanding — ‘connecting the dots,’ so to speak. The reason —
G: Well I always — I always thought that I was pretty far (“ALL”) around even before I came on to “Coast to Coast.”
Q: Yeah, because — the reason why I ask is a Conscious Living Expo started today over at the LAX Airport Hilton and — well I have a booth and I’m very disturbed by some of the things I hear people say like “I don’t read.” I mean it’s hard for people to distinguish when something is worthwhile. You’ve got so many booths. You’ve got Maitreya, Scientology, Urantia. So I think it’s so important for people like yourself to share with others their process of arriving at the truth. In my case, what I try to do is convey to others how it’s possible to achieve — oh I guess the word is redemption during this lifetime, which is not very easy. And I’m al(so) —
G: Well do you know what — do you know what I had to start off? And I — and — and — and not a lot of people are fortunate enough. But I had two parents who cared about me as a child. And, you know, they — they disciplined me when they had to. And they let me be my own person. They let me make my own mistakes. They guided me when they had to. They picked me up when they had to. And I think that helped form, for me, the foundation that I have today. I really do.
Q: Okay. And I know that you don’t believe in coincidences.
G: No.
Q: Or —
G: Not at all.
Q: Or I guess co-incidences is the better word.
G: (small laugh)
Q: But I saw a man who — he was wearing this T-shirt that said, “My life is in ruins.” And I — so I interviewed him and it turns out he’s an archaeologist. (“WHO” “WHO”) Obviously, he’s obsessed with ruins.
G: Right. Right. I would’ve taken it the way you did — that he thought his life was all screwed up.
Q: But I’m always looking too for connections with the Superconscious Mind.
G: Yeah.
Q: So when I see a T-shirt like that, I see there’s another meaning there possibly as well.
G: Sure.
Q: Especially when on the freeway you see — I continue to see those pest control trucks —
G: (small laugh)
Q: — along with the hearts and everything else.
G: Yeah. Yeah.
Q: And — in fact, at my booth I have (“AA”) a photo from NASA of that big valentine on Mars, which is sort of reassuring because I do think that the main lesson is (“AA”) Love.
G: Do you have much faith in the — the spirituality of the people on this planet?
Q: Yes I do because they get a lot of help. And I just think that people have got to start thinking for themselves because there is so much disinformation or just incorrect information out there. You have to remember that this is a day and age when people get most of their information from little boxes that they stare into for many, many hours.
G: Yeah. Well that’s (“YEAH”) true (line disconnected) but as long as they listen to little boxes that come into their ears, that’s all that matters. Hey, thanks for that call. Let’s go to our special topic line. Your turn on “Coast to Coast.” Hi there . . .
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