RADIO CALL — TAPES #654 & #655 EXCERPTS
Q: Mark Russell Bell
M: Mr. KABC, host of “Ask Mr. KABC” radio show in Los Angeles
T: Todd Wilbur (“Ask Mr. KABC” broadcast)
U: unidentified caller (“Ask Mr. KABC” broadcast)
N: caller — “webmaster” of “thedaily.com” (“Ask Mr. KABC” broadcast)
C: unidentified caller (“Ask Mr. KABC” broadcast)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I CALLED MR. KABC ON SEPTEMBER 5, 2000 AFTER SENDING HIM EMAIL OCCASIONALLY OVER THE YEARS ABOUT THE WEBSITE. I ALSO RECORDED THE FOLLOWING NIGHT’S BROADCAST YET DIDN’T TRANSCRIBE THESE TAPE PORTIONS UNTIL THE FOLLOWING MONTH AFTER MENTIONING WHAT I LEARNED ON AN IMPROMPTU CALL TO BARBARA SIMPSON.)
(theme song [one of several for the show])
Baby, your man is home Turn all the lights down low I’ve got no reason to roam No place I need to go There’s only me and you We both know what to do Turn Mr. KABC on We have been waiting all day long After the sun slides down He’s heard all over town Our pseudo-deity Mr. KABC
M: Six minutes after nine o’clock, this is Talk Radio 790 KABC. I am Mr. KABC with you every weeknight between seven and ten. Here to take your phone calls and your questions without guests, topics or a screener. The caller who referred to me as a liar and some kind of a shill for the Democrats and for Bill Clinton — “Wednesday June 30, 1999. Hubble Pleads Guilty: Gets No Jail Time” — “Longtime Presidential friend Webster Hubble was sentenced to a year of probation today after pleading guilty to concealing aspects of his work involving the failed savings and loan at the center of the Whitewater investigation. ‘After five years, it’s over,’ Hubble said outside the courthouse. ‘Our lives can begin again.’ Hubble’s attorney said Starr had agreed to never investigate or prosecute Hubble again. Hubble who already” — “(As) part of the deal, prosecutors asked for no jail time, restitution or fine on felony or second guilty plea on a misdemeanor charge of failure to pay taxes.” And, as you know, later the tax fraud case against Webster Hubble was dismissed, falling on the immunity argument, citing the use of immunity given Webster Hubble when he agreed to testify in the Whitewater case. “A federal judge has dropped the tax evasion case against Clinton friend and former Justice Department official Webster Hubble. The case involved tax fraud involving money that was suspected of being ‘hush money’ from Clinton campaign contributors when Hubble was sent to prison.” So that’s issue number one. Issue number two was Susan McDougal. This is from April — here’s April 8th — it should go to April — April 12th, 1999. “McDougal Not Guilty on One Count — Mistrial . . .” — “Whitewater figure Susan McDougal was found not guilty Monday of obstruction of justice. The judge declared a mistrial after jurors said they were hopelessly deadlocked on the criminal contempt charges. U.S. District Judge George Howard Jr. complained — declared the mistrial on two criminal contempt counts just before jurors delivered the innocent verdict in the courtroom. An ecstatic defense team read the verdict as a repudiation of independent counsel Ken Starr. ‘If anything should put a stake through the heart of Ken Starr, this should be it,’ said Mark Geragos, McDougal’s defense attorney. ‘This guy should pack up, should get out of here. I’m happy to be the one along with Susan to wish him bon voyage and get the heck out of Arkansas. And do it now.’ After the verdict, McDougal hugged her fiancé Pat Harris and Geragos” — and it just goes on and on. So the caller who made the claim that Webster Hubble was convicted and sent to prison is not true and that Susan McDougal was found guilty of other charges, aside from the contempt, (or “WHICH IS” or “WITCHES”) when she wouldn’t speak to Starr because she felt it was a witch hunt. I think I’ve been vindicated here but don’t let the facts get in the way of your opinion. Back to the phone lines and to your calls at (gives number). We’ll start with you. (BEEP) Hi, welcome. You’re on with Mr. KABC. Good evening.
Q: Oh good evening, Mr. KABC. I tried reaching you last night but I couldn’t get through. I wanted to —
M: . . .
Q: Yeah. (“CAUSE”) By the way, I’m one of those people with the voice where people don’t always know —
M: Yeah, I’m getting the sense you’re a guy, though.
Q: Thank you.
M: Yeah, you’re a man. Right?
Q: That’s right.
M: Okay, yeah. And you know what? Tha(t) — the other — the caller last night was much more difficult to discern than you.
Q: Not for me, though.
M: Sir, you’re a little effeminate, though.
Q: Well I thought that she — I mean I knew that she was a woman.
M: Uh-huh. You did? Well, see, the audience was split so I don’t know that we kn(ow) — we don’t know for certain because that caller never called back.
Q: And I guess it depends on what kind of mood you’re in.
M: Why — are you gay?
Q: Isn’t everybody?
M: Yeah, alright.
Q: Okay. But, anyway, I was calling because —
M: Gayer than the 1890s.
Q: Well I don’t know. I just think — I think that everyone is gay.
M: You do?
Q: Yeah.
M: Really? I’m gay?
Q: Everyone is. Well I see I think it’s people are trying to conform to society.
M: Uh-huh.
Q: And —
M: Well being gay means you would enjoy having sex with me(n) — I have — I got to be honest with you. I have no interest in having sex with men. None.
Q: Well, yes, because your preoccupation is with conforming with society. It doesn’t really have so much to do with what arouses you.
M: Oh. (“BUT”)
Q: I mean it’s — you don’t want to — I think that’s society’s main problem. It’s sort of —
M: Well are you gay or you bisexual? (“WWL”)
Q: Me personally —
M: Yeah.
Q: — I — let’s just say I’m celibate at the moment.
M: Uh-huh. Is that by choice or by circumstance?
Q: A little of each. I — I’m — actually my story is sort of like this large soap opera. (“BECAU”) That was what I wanted to ask you about, by the way —
M: Why is every — why is every gay guy’s life like a soap opera? What’s that about? (“WELL”)
Q: I think everybody is gay so that means everybody’s life is like a soap opera.
M: Alright . . . can I — how can I — you know what? This is — (“I KNOW”) I don’t know a lot of gay people but I know a few gay people and all — every gay person I know is convinced that everyone is gay. I don’t know why gay — and that’s wh — they always like to point to celebrities to try and — like especially handsome male celebrities to try and prove their point. Like they whisper how, “Oh you know — everyone knows Tom Cruise is gay.” You know? And stuff like that.
Q: Well I work(ed) in Hollywood so I’m the right person to ask about that.
M: . . . about everyone — everyone who’s gay wants to believe that everyone else in the world is gay. It’s just that we’re afraid of what society might think . . .
Q: Well I think it all goes back to Adam and Eve. I think people have always been puzzled by the original sin that they committed. (“AND WHEN YOU”) When you consider that Adam and Eve were meant to be eternal beings, quite possibly and conceivably, the fact that they had sex with one another and had children was the first faux pas in mankind’s history.
M: Oeah — alright what did you call me about tonight?
Q: Okay. Well I was just calling because I’m not one of those who can't afford to listen every night but when I have been turning in —
M: I don’t charge to listen to the show. What do you mean you can’t afford to listen every night?
Q: Well just I have other things to do.
M: The broadcast is free. Well you can carry a radio with you.
Q: But last night I was listening and —
M: (What) can’t you do while enjoying the Mr. KABC show?
Q: When I can, I do.
M: Thank you.
Q: And (“LIE”) last night there was — aliens came up. There was that final discussion about God. And I remember hearing about fish falls, which is something that’s very highly documented, by the way, through the centuries. And crop circles. And I was just wondering — by the way, what do you think about crop circles?
M: I think they’re a hoax.
Q: Have you done any research into the matter?
M: Not as much as you’d like me to.
Q: Well there are a lot of websites such as (“LIKE”) http://www.cropcircleconnector and http://www.cropcircleradius and it’s quite compelling because I mean (“THERE”) there has been video footage of these luminescent orbs usually followed by —
M: There’s a very famous video where some — there’s a big field and there are these things that kind of dash across the sky and, following them, are these crop circles. That video was revealed as a hoax.
Q: Well, no, the one I was talking about was the one where there’s a British government helicopter in pursuit of this small glowing orb.
M: Oh, I haven’t seen this one.
Q: And there are a lot of reports — I guess the “Dreamland” show on Sunday goes into that often enough. And, plus, there are so —
M: You know, science fiction is fun and if you want to believe it, that’s fine. . . . (“WELL IT’S”)
Q: It’s not sci(ence fiction) — but I’m just saying the Internet does have all these very compelling websites. And I think —
M: The Internet has all kinds of kooky things. That’s why —
Q: Well I think — if I was going to recommend one, the one I would recommend is testament.org. Have you visited that website yet?
M: I’ll get to have — you run it?
Q: Well (“IT”) it’s —
M: You know what I’m going to have to(morrow) — speak of the Internet and fun? Tomorrow night, at this — in this hour, I’m going to have the webmaster — is it the webmaster? I’m going to have someone who runs http://www.topsecretrecipes.com.
Q: That sounds very boring to me.
M: Whhh — what do you mean? You haven’t heard it yet.
Q: Well —
M: Aren’t — don’t you —
Q: — I don’t think food is meant to be a sumptuous feast. I think it’s just meant for simple sustenance.
M: Wait a second. Don’t you want to know what the Colonel’s eleven herbs and spices are?
Q: I’m a vegan.
M: Oh boy. Gay vegan.
Q: Well I think Spirit — see, I’m one of those people who has meditated long and hard about various spiritual issues.
M: You’re a gay vegan who’s into crop circles.
Q: Oh I’ve even had sex with an angel once. I mean that’s why —
M: Alright I need to move on.
Q: Well no — (“BUT I” “BUT”) if you do want to read about my soap opera.
M: . . . there’s nothing more that you could say that could top the claim —
Q: Well no but if you visit the — my website, then you can read all about it.
M: There is nothing that could top the claim that you just made — that you’ve had sex with an angel.
Q: Well —
M: I need to move on. Please don’t let me —
Q: testament.org, Mr. KABC.
M: Alright, is that — it is your website.
Q: That’s right.
M: Why did I know that you were calling to promote your own website?
Q: Well sometimes —
M: I’ll take a — I’m going to go check it out. There’s no nudity or anything?
Q: Matt Drudge gave it a good review. When I called him, he kept helping me promote my website too.
M: Well there might’ve been something else going on there. I need to move on. I appreciate the call.
Q: Thank you, Mr. KABC.
M: Alright. Thank you, sir. Bye bye. (line disconnected)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I BEGAN RECORDING FROM THE RADIO BROADCAST TO SEE IF ANY CALLERS WOULD COMMENT ON MY CALL AND/OR SEE IF MR. KABC WOULD MAKE ANY FURTHER REMARK AFTER THE BREAK.)
M: Eighteen minutes after nine o’clock. This is Talk Radio 79. I am Mr. KABC. With you until ten tonight. Every weeknight from seven to ten is where you find Mr. KABC without guests, topics or a screener. Alright, right back to the phone lines and to your calls. Hi, welcome, you’re on (with) Mr. KABC.
U: Hello Mr. KABC?
M: Yes, go ahead, sir. (“NO”)
U: I’m calling about Whitewater.
M: Okay.
U: Looking in the 1998 World Almanac it states that on May 28th, 1996 James and Susan McDougal were convicted of fraud and conspiracy. Arkansas Governor Jim Guy Tucker was convicted of similar charges by the same jury.
M: Yeah but not — but no jail — Hubble was — you didn’t mention Hubble, did you?
U: No.
M: Yeah. McDougal was declared — oh this is confusing to me because Susan McDougal was declared not guilty and a mistrial on the other two charges —
U: Well see if . . .
M: Wait a minute — April 12th, 1999.
U: This is May 28th, 1996.
M: Nineteen ninety —
U: Because also she was sent to jail September 9th for contempt after refusing to testify about Whitewater. But she was convicted of fraud and conspiracy with her husband on May 28th, 1996, which is what that guy who called in —
M: Wait a minute. Tried and convicted in May 1996 of fraud charges, sentenced to two years. Before she could serve any of that time, McDougal was slapped by the judge with an additional eighteen months in jail on civil contempt charges when she refused to answer further questions from the Whitewater prosecutors July of 1998. Released from jail early after serving the entire contempt sentence in four months of the Whitewater sentence. Acquitted of embezzlement charges unrelated to her Whitewater activity. Through her defense counsel. Independent counsel Ken Starr of engineering McDougal’s prosecution to force her to testify against Bill Clinton. Yeah, you’re on to something here.
U: I know. You just said — you said earlier — that’s why I called.
M: Yeah, no, it’s a fair —
U: You said that she wasn’t convicted of anything else and this clearly says that she was.
M: Yeah. You know what?
U: So it says this was 1996.
M: You’re right. 1996 — fraud charges, sentenced to two years. You’re correct.
U: Fraud and conspiracy with her husband.
M: It just says here Whitewater-related fraud charge but alright.
U: Anyway, so that other guy was right. In part, anyway.
M: In part, yeah.
U: No . . .
M: Well he’s wrong — wait a minute. He’s — hold on. He’s wrong about McDougal because he said that McDougal —
U: Well I don’t know about that. (“ALRIGHT”) I’m just talking about the —
M: And as I understand it, Jim Guy Tucker pled guilty and received no jail time but I need to look that up to make certain.
U: Yeah. I just think you should — don’t automatically say someone is wrong just because you think you have the right answer. . . .
M: Well I don’t. Sir, I don’t. Wait a minute. I read to you what I had and, upon closer examination, you’re correct. There was, in fact, a conviction in 1996 related to Whitewater.
U: Right.
M: Yeah. That’s true.
U: But I’m just saying . . .
M: But he’s — but he was wrong — (“BUT”) but he’s wrong about Hubble and he’s wrong about Jim Guy Tucker.
U: That may be. I’m just saying a lot of times you —
M: Listen, sir —
U: — say someone is wrong without knowing —
M: — let me tell you something. This is how I operate the program and let’s be very clear about this. I tell you what I believe to be the truth. If I’m wrong, I’m the first guy to tell you. Okay?
U: Yeah but I — I’ve been seeing a lot of times you do . . .
M: I don’t mislead people. I don’t —
U: . . . absolute fact that you’re right when a lot of times —
M: Sir —
U: — you’re not.
M: I’m telling you what I believe to be the fact. I’m a human being. I am wrong. And when I’m wrong I’m the first guy to tell you I’m wrong. How else would you like me to do the show? When people call up and say “Will the sun rise tomorrow?,” my answer will be yes. But I’m — cou(ld) — is it possible that I’ll be wrong? Of course. I’m telling you what I believe to be the truth until I learn otherwise.
U: I know. I’m just saying sometimes you express your beliefs as fact. That’s all. That’s the only part I —
M: Well, sir, I think I made it very clear with that caller that he was making statements about me lying to people. I don’t lie to anybody. My —
U: I’m not —
M: I know you’re not. I’m telling you what he said.
U: Right.
M: He said that I lied and that I was purposely misleading people. I don’t purposely mislead anybody. If I get something wrong, I’ll tell you I got it wrong. You called up and explained to me why in fact in 1996 she was convicted and I agreed with you. I was wrong.
U: Fair enough.
M: Alright?
U: Okay, I’m just saying a lot of times —
M: Sir, it isn’t a lot — it isn’t a lot — (“SIR”)
U: — I get the feeling —
M: — it isn’t — please, don’t scream over me. It isn’t a lot of times. When I tell you something — just like the Firestone tires — I’m telling you what I believe to be the truth. If I learn something — the caller said, “Well, you know, what if it turns out that Ford and Firestone had conspired to keep information from the public?” I don’t know about that. I don’t know the people who run Ford and Firestone so I don’t know if, in fact, there is a smoking gun. If there is, I’ll change my view.
U: Fair enough —
M: I’ll tell you I was wrong.
U: I’m going to guess that it’s going to turn out that all these SEVs are just too heavy . . .
M: Alright, well this is a separate issue, sir.
U: Right.
M: It’s totally separate. I think you understand how I operate the program now, though, and that’s important that I got that out.
U: Thanks.
M: Alright. Thanks for the call. Hi, welcome. You’re on with Mr. KABC.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I TURNED OFF THE TAPE RECORDER AND THEN CHANGED MY MIND, TURNING IT BACK ON AT THE SLOWER 4HLP SPEED AS THERE WASN’T MUCH TAPE LEFT FOR THE SIDE.)
N: . . . You’re supposed to know everything.
M: Sir, if I knew everything, would I be hosting this show talking to you?
N: Sure wouldn’t but I want to congratulate you on your statistical insight into the Firestone tire issue.
M: The hysteria.
N: The hysteria. And how really an important statistic is the percentage of tires that have failed out of all of that type of tire that’s out there.
M: Right. Or how it is in proportion with every other brand of major-selling tire.
N: Right.
M: It’s not so out of whack. And the only reason why you’re hearing it more than any other tire brand is because you’re hearing it more than any other tire brand.
N: And I guess I — my question to you is —
M: It feeds on itself and the more people who have any kind of an accident related to a Firestone tire now makes news. What was it? There was a boy who tragically died in a car that flipped that had Firestone Wilderness AT tires on it. And it made the top of the hour news. Well how many other kids were involved in fatal accidents where the tires had a problem?
N: Mr. KABC —
M: I’m sure it’s more than just the one kid.
N: My question to you is why don’t you apply the same logic to our public debt, realizing that it’s not so much the dollar value of our public debt —
M: As — but it . . . percentage of our GNP.
N: — but the percentage of our GNP. And not only — if you look at it not only —
M: I’ve heard this claim but here’s —
N: But if you look at it as a percentage of our national market capitalization . . .
M: Here’s the problem with all this. Unlike our GNP or what was the other thing?
N: The National Market Capitalization . . .
M: Or our Nat(ional) —
N: . . . stock market.
M: Other than our National Market Capitalization. The difference is the debt grows geometrically because of the compounded interest. See, our GNP — it grows linear — it grows or shrinks in a linear fashion because you’re not applying compounded interest on it. (“THERE’S”) There’s a quote that’s attributed to Albert Einstein. Who knows if he really said it or not. But he said, “The most powerful force in the universe is compounded interest.”
N: Well if you look —
M: Anyone who owns a house understands this when they realize how little every month they’re actually paying to reduce the balance on their home mortgage and how much is going to interest.
N: But it really doesn’t matter if the total amount continues to shrink. If I make $20,000 a year and I owe $10,000, I’m in big trouble. But if I owe $10,000 and I make $400,000 a year, who cares (about) the fact that I owe $10,000.
M: Here’s the — it’s a very good point and I’m glad you’re making it — but here’s the problem.
N: If you look at (it) statistically . . .
M: I know. I understand. I understand what you’re saying. If you look at how much we have versus how much we owe it’s not a problem but here’s where it gets ugly. It isn’t just how much we owe, it’s how much interest there is on what we owe. And that’s growing at a greater rate than the economy is growing. (“SO”) You said to me if I have $10,000 in debt and I have a $20,000 income I’m in big trouble. Well you wouldn’t be in big trouble if there was no interest on that debt but make that debt 20% interest, you’ll never pay that off. Never. If you have a $20,000 income and you have $10,000 in debt at 20% interest compound, you will never ever, ever get out from under that debt.
N: Correct.
M: If it said zero — if it grows —
N: If you look at the actual statistics over the last ten years, you’ll see that yes, indeed, that whole public debt which includes the debt service is decreasing. And that’s, you know, you just look at the per capita growth debt and the public —
M: Well alright, you’re attitude is, “Don’t worry, be happy. You’ll be able to pay off your debt tomorrow.” And you may be right.
N: I am concerned. I’m concerned about something that Clinton did a couple years ago. He transferred our debt from long-term debt to short-term debt. The bond.
M: Okay.
N: So even the slightest uptake in interest rates, which in years past would make very little effect on our debt; in the future, even the smallest increase in public debt in interest rate will dramatically increase our interest payment because instead of being financed long-term, we’re now financed short-term. And if you look into that, that will be Bill Clinton’s long . . .
M: What was the philosophy about? What was it because — what was the philosophy behind that because he couldn’t do that singlehandedly, could he?
N: Yeah.
M: How did he do that?
N: The Presidential Order. He was able —
M: Yeah, you know, executive orders don’t apply to things like the debt. That’s not correct.
N: He was able to instruct the — you got me — the people that issue the bond to stop issuing a ten and twenty-year bond and start issuing five-year bonds and only five-year — or (or “OR”) limit them. If you want to go a long — buy a long-term bond right now from the government —
M: Um-huh (or “UM-HUH”) right.
N: — very, very difficult.
M: Really?
N: Because they don’t offer them like they did five/ten years ago.
M: You mean like a series double-A bond?
N: No, those are savings bonds. I’m talking about like —
M: A government-insured bond?
N: Government-insured bond.
M: Okay.
N: And I — and another couple of quick things. . . .
M: Wait — but by transferring it to short-term debt, does that mean it reduced the rate?
N: It makes us feel good right now. And that’s one of the reasons that we have all these budget surplus. Because our interest —
M: We don’t have budget surplus. We have projected budget surplus.
N: Project — right. They’re projecting, yeah. Why didn’t they project them three years ago? (“NO”) Three years ago, we were going to be in debt. . . .
M: But because we’ve taken in so much more because of a healthy economy and —
N: Well what do you mean “healthy economy”?
M: You don’t believe we have a healthy economy?
N: Do you think bankruptcies — the number of bankruptcies are a good measure of how healthy our country is?
M: Personal bankruptcies are not — corporate bankruptcies are down tremendously. There’s no — my brother was a corporate bankruptcy attorney, got out of the business because there ain’t no corporations going bankrupt.
N: Oh. What about personal?
M: Personal bankruptcy is up because people are spending more than they earn. They’re following the Republican philosophy of borrow and spend.
N: There you go. Okay well —
M: (small laugh)
N: I — you shot me down. I’m . . .
M: Alright, sir.
N: All I want to know now is what are the ten major freeways.
M: (small laugh) Alright, you want to name them?
N: Would you ask Hubble for tax advice?
M: Would I do what?
N: Would you ask Hubble for tax advice?
M: No and, you know what? And this is the other thing. I didn’t vote for Clinton either time and I think he surrounded himself with a lot of scumbags. And I think Hubble is one of them. And the McDougals were another pair. And a lot of people who I think were unsavory characters. I’m not defending them. I’m just talking about what the reality of the situation was and it wasn’t as though they got the President, which was ultimately the aim of the Whitewater investigation — was to get as high as they could. That’s why they put Susan McDougal in jail for contempt charges. Because they felt that she could rat out the President. And she not only didn’t but didn’t — but said all along and so did her husband: “They don’t have the goods on him.”
N: Ah the lucky dog.
M: Alright. So what was your last —
N: Find out about those ten major freeways.
M: I’ll give them to you right now. You got the 22. . . .
(theme song [one of several for the show])
Baby, your man is home Turn all the lights down low I’ve got no reason to roam No place I need to go There’s only me and you We both know what to do Turn Mr. KABC on We have been waiting all day long After the sun slides down He’s heard all over town Our pseudo-deity Mr. KABC
M: Six minutes after nine o’clock, this is Talk Radio 790 KABC. I am Mr. KABC with you every weeknight between seven and ten. Here to take your phone calls and your questions without guests, topics or a screener. The caller who referred to me as a liar and some kind of a shill for the Democrats and for Bill Clinton — “Wednesday June 30, 1999. Hubble Pleads Guilty: Gets No Jail Time” — “Longtime Presidential friend Webster Hubble was sentenced to a year of probation today after pleading guilty to concealing aspects of his work involving the failed savings and loan at the center of the Whitewater investigation. ‘After five years, it’s over,’ Hubble said outside the courthouse. ‘Our lives can begin again.’ Hubble’s attorney said Starr had agreed to never investigate or prosecute Hubble again. Hubble who already” — “(As) part of the deal, prosecutors asked for no jail time, restitution or fine on felony or second guilty plea on a misdemeanor charge of failure to pay taxes.” And, as you know, later the tax fraud case against Webster Hubble was dismissed, falling on the immunity argument, citing the use of immunity given Webster Hubble when he agreed to testify in the Whitewater case. “A federal judge has dropped the tax evasion case against Clinton friend and former Justice Department official Webster Hubble. The case involved tax fraud involving money that was suspected of being ‘hush money’ from Clinton campaign contributors when Hubble was sent to prison.” So that’s issue number one. Issue number two was Susan McDougal. This is from April — here’s April 8th — it should go to April — April 12th, 1999. “McDougal Not Guilty on One Count — Mistrial . . .” — “Whitewater figure Susan McDougal was found not guilty Monday of obstruction of justice. The judge declared a mistrial after jurors said they were hopelessly deadlocked on the criminal contempt charges. U.S. District Judge George Howard Jr. complained — declared the mistrial on two criminal contempt counts just before jurors delivered the innocent verdict in the courtroom. An ecstatic defense team read the verdict as a repudiation of independent counsel Ken Starr. ‘If anything should put a stake through the heart of Ken Starr, this should be it,’ said Mark Geragos, McDougal’s defense attorney. ‘This guy should pack up, should get out of here. I’m happy to be the one along with Susan to wish him bon voyage and get the heck out of Arkansas. And do it now.’ After the verdict, McDougal hugged her fiancé Pat Harris and Geragos” — and it just goes on and on. So the caller who made the claim that Webster Hubble was convicted and sent to prison is not true and that Susan McDougal was found guilty of other charges, aside from the contempt, (or “WHICH IS” or “WITCHES”) when she wouldn’t speak to Starr because she felt it was a witch hunt. I think I’ve been vindicated here but don’t let the facts get in the way of your opinion. Back to the phone lines and to your calls at (gives number). We’ll start with you. (BEEP) Hi, welcome. You’re on with Mr. KABC. Good evening.
Q: Oh good evening, Mr. KABC. I tried reaching you last night but I couldn’t get through. I wanted to —
M: . . .
Q: Yeah. (“CAUSE”) By the way, I’m one of those people with the voice where people don’t always know —
M: Yeah, I’m getting the sense you’re a guy, though.
Q: Thank you.
M: Yeah, you’re a man. Right?
Q: That’s right.
M: Okay, yeah. And you know what? Tha(t) — the other — the caller last night was much more difficult to discern than you.
Q: Not for me, though.
M: Sir, you’re a little effeminate, though.
Q: Well I thought that she — I mean I knew that she was a woman.
M: Uh-huh. You did? Well, see, the audience was split so I don’t know that we kn(ow) — we don’t know for certain because that caller never called back.
Q: And I guess it depends on what kind of mood you’re in.
M: Why — are you gay?
Q: Isn’t everybody?
M: Yeah, alright.
Q: Okay. But, anyway, I was calling because —
M: Gayer than the 1890s.
Q: Well I don’t know. I just think — I think that everyone is gay.
M: You do?
Q: Yeah.
M: Really? I’m gay?
Q: Everyone is. Well I see I think it’s people are trying to conform to society.
M: Uh-huh.
Q: And —
M: Well being gay means you would enjoy having sex with me(n) — I have — I got to be honest with you. I have no interest in having sex with men. None.
Q: Well, yes, because your preoccupation is with conforming with society. It doesn’t really have so much to do with what arouses you.
M: Oh. (“BUT”)
Q: I mean it’s — you don’t want to — I think that’s society’s main problem. It’s sort of —
M: Well are you gay or you bisexual? (“WWL”)
Q: Me personally —
M: Yeah.
Q: — I — let’s just say I’m celibate at the moment.
M: Uh-huh. Is that by choice or by circumstance?
Q: A little of each. I — I’m — actually my story is sort of like this large soap opera. (“BECAU”) That was what I wanted to ask you about, by the way —
M: Why is every — why is every gay guy’s life like a soap opera? What’s that about? (“WELL”)
Q: I think everybody is gay so that means everybody’s life is like a soap opera.
M: Alright . . . can I — how can I — you know what? This is — (“I KNOW”) I don’t know a lot of gay people but I know a few gay people and all — every gay person I know is convinced that everyone is gay. I don’t know why gay — and that’s wh — they always like to point to celebrities to try and — like especially handsome male celebrities to try and prove their point. Like they whisper how, “Oh you know — everyone knows Tom Cruise is gay.” You know? And stuff like that.
Q: Well I work(ed) in Hollywood so I’m the right person to ask about that.
M: . . . about everyone — everyone who’s gay wants to believe that everyone else in the world is gay. It’s just that we’re afraid of what society might think . . .
Q: Well I think it all goes back to Adam and Eve. I think people have always been puzzled by the original sin that they committed. (“AND WHEN YOU”) When you consider that Adam and Eve were meant to be eternal beings, quite possibly and conceivably, the fact that they had sex with one another and had children was the first faux pas in mankind’s history.
M: Oeah — alright what did you call me about tonight?
Q: Okay. Well I was just calling because I’m not one of those who can't afford to listen every night but when I have been turning in —
M: I don’t charge to listen to the show. What do you mean you can’t afford to listen every night?
Q: Well just I have other things to do.
M: The broadcast is free. Well you can carry a radio with you.
Q: But last night I was listening and —
M: (What) can’t you do while enjoying the Mr. KABC show?
Q: When I can, I do.
M: Thank you.
Q: And (“LIE”) last night there was — aliens came up. There was that final discussion about God. And I remember hearing about fish falls, which is something that’s very highly documented, by the way, through the centuries. And crop circles. And I was just wondering — by the way, what do you think about crop circles?
M: I think they’re a hoax.
Q: Have you done any research into the matter?
M: Not as much as you’d like me to.
Q: Well there are a lot of websites such as (“LIKE”) http://www.cropcircleconnector and http://www.cropcircleradius and it’s quite compelling because I mean (“THERE”) there has been video footage of these luminescent orbs usually followed by —
M: There’s a very famous video where some — there’s a big field and there are these things that kind of dash across the sky and, following them, are these crop circles. That video was revealed as a hoax.
Q: Well, no, the one I was talking about was the one where there’s a British government helicopter in pursuit of this small glowing orb.
M: Oh, I haven’t seen this one.
Q: And there are a lot of reports — I guess the “Dreamland” show on Sunday goes into that often enough. And, plus, there are so —
M: You know, science fiction is fun and if you want to believe it, that’s fine. . . . (“WELL IT’S”)
Q: It’s not sci(ence fiction) — but I’m just saying the Internet does have all these very compelling websites. And I think —
M: The Internet has all kinds of kooky things. That’s why —
Q: Well I think — if I was going to recommend one, the one I would recommend is testament.org. Have you visited that website yet?
M: I’ll get to have — you run it?
Q: Well (“IT”) it’s —
M: You know what I’m going to have to(morrow) — speak of the Internet and fun? Tomorrow night, at this — in this hour, I’m going to have the webmaster — is it the webmaster? I’m going to have someone who runs http://www.topsecretrecipes.com.
Q: That sounds very boring to me.
M: Whhh — what do you mean? You haven’t heard it yet.
Q: Well —
M: Aren’t — don’t you —
Q: — I don’t think food is meant to be a sumptuous feast. I think it’s just meant for simple sustenance.
M: Wait a second. Don’t you want to know what the Colonel’s eleven herbs and spices are?
Q: I’m a vegan.
M: Oh boy. Gay vegan.
Q: Well I think Spirit — see, I’m one of those people who has meditated long and hard about various spiritual issues.
M: You’re a gay vegan who’s into crop circles.
Q: Oh I’ve even had sex with an angel once. I mean that’s why —
M: Alright I need to move on.
Q: Well no — (“BUT I” “BUT”) if you do want to read about my soap opera.
M: . . . there’s nothing more that you could say that could top the claim —
Q: Well no but if you visit the — my website, then you can read all about it.
M: There is nothing that could top the claim that you just made — that you’ve had sex with an angel.
Q: Well —
M: I need to move on. Please don’t let me —
Q: testament.org, Mr. KABC.
M: Alright, is that — it is your website.
Q: That’s right.
M: Why did I know that you were calling to promote your own website?
Q: Well sometimes —
M: I’ll take a — I’m going to go check it out. There’s no nudity or anything?
Q: Matt Drudge gave it a good review. When I called him, he kept helping me promote my website too.
M: Well there might’ve been something else going on there. I need to move on. I appreciate the call.
Q: Thank you, Mr. KABC.
M: Alright. Thank you, sir. Bye bye. (line disconnected)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I BEGAN RECORDING FROM THE RADIO BROADCAST TO SEE IF ANY CALLERS WOULD COMMENT ON MY CALL AND/OR SEE IF MR. KABC WOULD MAKE ANY FURTHER REMARK AFTER THE BREAK.)
M: Eighteen minutes after nine o’clock. This is Talk Radio 79. I am Mr. KABC. With you until ten tonight. Every weeknight from seven to ten is where you find Mr. KABC without guests, topics or a screener. Alright, right back to the phone lines and to your calls. Hi, welcome, you’re on (with) Mr. KABC.
U: Hello Mr. KABC?
M: Yes, go ahead, sir. (“NO”)
U: I’m calling about Whitewater.
M: Okay.
U: Looking in the 1998 World Almanac it states that on May 28th, 1996 James and Susan McDougal were convicted of fraud and conspiracy. Arkansas Governor Jim Guy Tucker was convicted of similar charges by the same jury.
M: Yeah but not — but no jail — Hubble was — you didn’t mention Hubble, did you?
U: No.
M: Yeah. McDougal was declared — oh this is confusing to me because Susan McDougal was declared not guilty and a mistrial on the other two charges —
U: Well see if . . .
M: Wait a minute — April 12th, 1999.
U: This is May 28th, 1996.
M: Nineteen ninety —
U: Because also she was sent to jail September 9th for contempt after refusing to testify about Whitewater. But she was convicted of fraud and conspiracy with her husband on May 28th, 1996, which is what that guy who called in —
M: Wait a minute. Tried and convicted in May 1996 of fraud charges, sentenced to two years. Before she could serve any of that time, McDougal was slapped by the judge with an additional eighteen months in jail on civil contempt charges when she refused to answer further questions from the Whitewater prosecutors July of 1998. Released from jail early after serving the entire contempt sentence in four months of the Whitewater sentence. Acquitted of embezzlement charges unrelated to her Whitewater activity. Through her defense counsel. Independent counsel Ken Starr of engineering McDougal’s prosecution to force her to testify against Bill Clinton. Yeah, you’re on to something here.
U: I know. You just said — you said earlier — that’s why I called.
M: Yeah, no, it’s a fair —
U: You said that she wasn’t convicted of anything else and this clearly says that she was.
M: Yeah. You know what?
U: So it says this was 1996.
M: You’re right. 1996 — fraud charges, sentenced to two years. You’re correct.
U: Fraud and conspiracy with her husband.
M: It just says here Whitewater-related fraud charge but alright.
U: Anyway, so that other guy was right. In part, anyway.
M: In part, yeah.
U: No . . .
M: Well he’s wrong — wait a minute. He’s — hold on. He’s wrong about McDougal because he said that McDougal —
U: Well I don’t know about that. (“ALRIGHT”) I’m just talking about the —
M: And as I understand it, Jim Guy Tucker pled guilty and received no jail time but I need to look that up to make certain.
U: Yeah. I just think you should — don’t automatically say someone is wrong just because you think you have the right answer. . . .
M: Well I don’t. Sir, I don’t. Wait a minute. I read to you what I had and, upon closer examination, you’re correct. There was, in fact, a conviction in 1996 related to Whitewater.
U: Right.
M: Yeah. That’s true.
U: But I’m just saying . . .
M: But he’s — but he was wrong — (“BUT”) but he’s wrong about Hubble and he’s wrong about Jim Guy Tucker.
U: That may be. I’m just saying a lot of times you —
M: Listen, sir —
U: — say someone is wrong without knowing —
M: — let me tell you something. This is how I operate the program and let’s be very clear about this. I tell you what I believe to be the truth. If I’m wrong, I’m the first guy to tell you. Okay?
U: Yeah but I — I’ve been seeing a lot of times you do . . .
M: I don’t mislead people. I don’t —
U: . . . absolute fact that you’re right when a lot of times —
M: Sir —
U: — you’re not.
M: I’m telling you what I believe to be the fact. I’m a human being. I am wrong. And when I’m wrong I’m the first guy to tell you I’m wrong. How else would you like me to do the show? When people call up and say “Will the sun rise tomorrow?,” my answer will be yes. But I’m — cou(ld) — is it possible that I’ll be wrong? Of course. I’m telling you what I believe to be the truth until I learn otherwise.
U: I know. I’m just saying sometimes you express your beliefs as fact. That’s all. That’s the only part I —
M: Well, sir, I think I made it very clear with that caller that he was making statements about me lying to people. I don’t lie to anybody. My —
U: I’m not —
M: I know you’re not. I’m telling you what he said.
U: Right.
M: He said that I lied and that I was purposely misleading people. I don’t purposely mislead anybody. If I get something wrong, I’ll tell you I got it wrong. You called up and explained to me why in fact in 1996 she was convicted and I agreed with you. I was wrong.
U: Fair enough.
M: Alright?
U: Okay, I’m just saying a lot of times —
M: Sir, it isn’t a lot — it isn’t a lot — (“SIR”)
U: — I get the feeling —
M: — it isn’t — please, don’t scream over me. It isn’t a lot of times. When I tell you something — just like the Firestone tires — I’m telling you what I believe to be the truth. If I learn something — the caller said, “Well, you know, what if it turns out that Ford and Firestone had conspired to keep information from the public?” I don’t know about that. I don’t know the people who run Ford and Firestone so I don’t know if, in fact, there is a smoking gun. If there is, I’ll change my view.
U: Fair enough —
M: I’ll tell you I was wrong.
U: I’m going to guess that it’s going to turn out that all these SEVs are just too heavy . . .
M: Alright, well this is a separate issue, sir.
U: Right.
M: It’s totally separate. I think you understand how I operate the program now, though, and that’s important that I got that out.
U: Thanks.
M: Alright. Thanks for the call. Hi, welcome. You’re on with Mr. KABC.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I TURNED OFF THE TAPE RECORDER AND THEN CHANGED MY MIND, TURNING IT BACK ON AT THE SLOWER 4HLP SPEED AS THERE WASN’T MUCH TAPE LEFT FOR THE SIDE.)
N: . . . You’re supposed to know everything.
M: Sir, if I knew everything, would I be hosting this show talking to you?
N: Sure wouldn’t but I want to congratulate you on your statistical insight into the Firestone tire issue.
M: The hysteria.
N: The hysteria. And how really an important statistic is the percentage of tires that have failed out of all of that type of tire that’s out there.
M: Right. Or how it is in proportion with every other brand of major-selling tire.
N: Right.
M: It’s not so out of whack. And the only reason why you’re hearing it more than any other tire brand is because you’re hearing it more than any other tire brand.
N: And I guess I — my question to you is —
M: It feeds on itself and the more people who have any kind of an accident related to a Firestone tire now makes news. What was it? There was a boy who tragically died in a car that flipped that had Firestone Wilderness AT tires on it. And it made the top of the hour news. Well how many other kids were involved in fatal accidents where the tires had a problem?
N: Mr. KABC —
M: I’m sure it’s more than just the one kid.
N: My question to you is why don’t you apply the same logic to our public debt, realizing that it’s not so much the dollar value of our public debt —
M: As — but it . . . percentage of our GNP.
N: — but the percentage of our GNP. And not only — if you look at it not only —
M: I’ve heard this claim but here’s —
N: But if you look at it as a percentage of our national market capitalization . . .
M: Here’s the problem with all this. Unlike our GNP or what was the other thing?
N: The National Market Capitalization . . .
M: Or our Nat(ional) —
N: . . . stock market.
M: Other than our National Market Capitalization. The difference is the debt grows geometrically because of the compounded interest. See, our GNP — it grows linear — it grows or shrinks in a linear fashion because you’re not applying compounded interest on it. (“THERE’S”) There’s a quote that’s attributed to Albert Einstein. Who knows if he really said it or not. But he said, “The most powerful force in the universe is compounded interest.”
N: Well if you look —
M: Anyone who owns a house understands this when they realize how little every month they’re actually paying to reduce the balance on their home mortgage and how much is going to interest.
N: But it really doesn’t matter if the total amount continues to shrink. If I make $20,000 a year and I owe $10,000, I’m in big trouble. But if I owe $10,000 and I make $400,000 a year, who cares (about) the fact that I owe $10,000.
M: Here’s the — it’s a very good point and I’m glad you’re making it — but here’s the problem.
N: If you look at (it) statistically . . .
M: I know. I understand. I understand what you’re saying. If you look at how much we have versus how much we owe it’s not a problem but here’s where it gets ugly. It isn’t just how much we owe, it’s how much interest there is on what we owe. And that’s growing at a greater rate than the economy is growing. (“SO”) You said to me if I have $10,000 in debt and I have a $20,000 income I’m in big trouble. Well you wouldn’t be in big trouble if there was no interest on that debt but make that debt 20% interest, you’ll never pay that off. Never. If you have a $20,000 income and you have $10,000 in debt at 20% interest compound, you will never ever, ever get out from under that debt.
N: Correct.
M: If it said zero — if it grows —
N: If you look at the actual statistics over the last ten years, you’ll see that yes, indeed, that whole public debt which includes the debt service is decreasing. And that’s, you know, you just look at the per capita growth debt and the public —
M: Well alright, you’re attitude is, “Don’t worry, be happy. You’ll be able to pay off your debt tomorrow.” And you may be right.
N: I am concerned. I’m concerned about something that Clinton did a couple years ago. He transferred our debt from long-term debt to short-term debt. The bond.
M: Okay.
N: So even the slightest uptake in interest rates, which in years past would make very little effect on our debt; in the future, even the smallest increase in public debt in interest rate will dramatically increase our interest payment because instead of being financed long-term, we’re now financed short-term. And if you look into that, that will be Bill Clinton’s long . . .
M: What was the philosophy about? What was it because — what was the philosophy behind that because he couldn’t do that singlehandedly, could he?
N: Yeah.
M: How did he do that?
N: The Presidential Order. He was able —
M: Yeah, you know, executive orders don’t apply to things like the debt. That’s not correct.
N: He was able to instruct the — you got me — the people that issue the bond to stop issuing a ten and twenty-year bond and start issuing five-year bonds and only five-year — or (or “OR”) limit them. If you want to go a long — buy a long-term bond right now from the government —
M: Um-huh (or “UM-HUH”) right.
N: — very, very difficult.
M: Really?
N: Because they don’t offer them like they did five/ten years ago.
M: You mean like a series double-A bond?
N: No, those are savings bonds. I’m talking about like —
M: A government-insured bond?
N: Government-insured bond.
M: Okay.
N: And I — and another couple of quick things. . . .
M: Wait — but by transferring it to short-term debt, does that mean it reduced the rate?
N: It makes us feel good right now. And that’s one of the reasons that we have all these budget surplus. Because our interest —
M: We don’t have budget surplus. We have projected budget surplus.
N: Project — right. They’re projecting, yeah. Why didn’t they project them three years ago? (“NO”) Three years ago, we were going to be in debt. . . .
M: But because we’ve taken in so much more because of a healthy economy and —
N: Well what do you mean “healthy economy”?
M: You don’t believe we have a healthy economy?
N: Do you think bankruptcies — the number of bankruptcies are a good measure of how healthy our country is?
M: Personal bankruptcies are not — corporate bankruptcies are down tremendously. There’s no — my brother was a corporate bankruptcy attorney, got out of the business because there ain’t no corporations going bankrupt.
N: Oh. What about personal?
M: Personal bankruptcy is up because people are spending more than they earn. They’re following the Republican philosophy of borrow and spend.
N: There you go. Okay well —
M: (small laugh)
N: I — you shot me down. I’m . . .
M: Alright, sir.
N: All I want to know now is what are the ten major freeways.
M: (small laugh) Alright, you want to name them?
N: Would you ask Hubble for tax advice?
M: Would I do what?
N: Would you ask Hubble for tax advice?
M: No and, you know what? And this is the other thing. I didn’t vote for Clinton either time and I think he surrounded himself with a lot of scumbags. And I think Hubble is one of them. And the McDougals were another pair. And a lot of people who I think were unsavory characters. I’m not defending them. I’m just talking about what the reality of the situation was and it wasn’t as though they got the President, which was ultimately the aim of the Whitewater investigation — was to get as high as they could. That’s why they put Susan McDougal in jail for contempt charges. Because they felt that she could rat out the President. And she not only didn’t but didn’t — but said all along and so did her husband: “They don’t have the goods on him.”
N: Ah the lucky dog.
M: Alright. So what was your last —
N: Find out about those ten major freeways.
M: I’ll give them to you right now. You got the 22. . . .
Subject: My Call Last NightDate: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:01:42 -0700From: Mark Russell Bell <markrussellbell@earthlink.net>Organization: https://testament.orgTo: mrkabc@primenet.com
Mr. KABC,
In case anybody missed my website address and asks for it, I hope you will let them know it’s https://testament.org — if they ask via Email, you may send them a copy of this with the following news release.
Mark Russell Bell
MARK RUSSELL BELL: “GOD HAS REVEALED SECRETS OF LIFE TO ME” —CASE STUDY DOCUMENTED FREE ON THE INTERNET AT https://testament.org
LOS ANGELES — TESTAMENT, available in a free Internet edition published by Mark Russell Bell, documents how God revealed secrets of life to him and provided Bell with physical evidence of his previous incarnation as an Egyptian priest.
He transcribed and edited the interview transcripts and journals that comprise the book after working as a publicity writer for Paramount Pictures, the film studio with the familiar mountain logo. Bell comments, “The Angelic Force that has manifested in my life is the same that spoke to Moses in the Mount, was known to Nostradamus, used Edgar Cayce as a channel, was referred to as ‘The Mahatmas’ by THE SECRET DOCTRINE author Madame Blavatsky, communicated via the Ouija Board to inspire the MESSAGES FROM MICHAEL books, and was glimpsed in a near death experience by Dr. George Ritchie as chronicled by Dr. Raymond A. Moody in LIFE-AFTER-LIFE.” [2021 Update: I later noticed that while Life After Life is dedicated to Ritchie his experience is not included in this book.]
TESTAMENT evolved after Bell wrote an unpublished book chronicling talking poltergeists throughout history, including the Bell Witch case of the early 19th Century. He then learned about a contemporary family—the Bell/Mc Wethy family of Centrahoma—experiencing the talking poltergeist phenomena and traveled to rural Oklahoma for interviews. Upon returning home to Los Angeles, Bell decided to
continue conducting interviews about the unexplained and turned his attention to Hollywood. His lineage chart is included in the book and reveals ties with film directors Alfred Hitchcock (“Rebecca,” “Vertigo”) and Ken Russell (“Tommy,” “Altered States”).
The bell synchronicity in his life culminated when he became aware he had lived a previous life in Egypt as Bel-Marduk also known as Ra-Ta (Sun-Earth) the priest. Visiting an antique store several blocks from his home in Echo Park, Bell found an Egyptian pendant with a profile of his exact likeness. In 1932, Cayce prophesied Ra-Ta would return to the world in 1998; in that year people discovered Bell via his website.
The connection between Bel-Marduk and Ra is a subject of the work of Zecharia Sitchin. In Sitchin’s recent book THE COSMIC CODE, ancient texts are cited concerning Marduk’s emergence from the Great Pyramid. Sitchin identifies these texts on pages 59/84 as “precursors of the New Testament tale of the death, entombment, and resurrection of Jesus. Sentenced to exile, Ra/Marduk became Amen-Ra, the unseen god. . . . scholars seriously debated at the turn of this century whether his story was a prototype of the story of Christ.”
As Bell comments in “Publishing Information” at https://testament.org — “Reading TESTAMENT illuminates the lost knowledge of the relationships of man and the carnal world with those changes that fade or fall away in their various effect, making plain the interpretation of death. The reader’s consciousness is expanded; thus the ‘uncovering’ of the Hall of Records. . . . Spirit has made my life an open book so that others can expand their consciousness.”
In addition to interview and journal transcripts, materials collected at https://testament.org include photographs of a variety of what is sometimes called ‘paranormal phenomena,’ including spirits and apparitions, bushes that went up in flames behind Bell’s condo, a bigfoot, and entities seen at a window that a rural Oklahoma family believe to be aliens.
During a recent national radio interview, Bell spoke about publishing his work as a free “Special Internet Edition”: “I wanted to be sure that it wasn’t spirituality for sale . . . I did want to make sure all the information was available on the Internet for everyone.”
At Paramount, Bell contributed to publicity campaigns for more than 100 films including “Ghost,” several “Star Trek” films, “Scrooged,” “Fire In The Sky,” “Dead Again,” a reissue of “The Ten Commandments,” “The Addams Family,” “Braveheart,” “The Butcher’s Wife,” “Coneheads,” “Forrest Gump,” a couple “Friday the 13th” films, “The Godfather, Part III,” “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade,” “The Indian in the Cupboard,” “Leap of Faith,” “The Naked Gun,” “Pet Sematary,” “U2 Rattle and Hum,” “Virtuosity” and “We’re No Angels.”
Bell says that after his experiences he perceives watching movies or television shows as distractions to the real and important work Spirit calls us to do: helping other members of our human & animal family and stopping the destruction of the Earth’s eco-system.
background information https://testament.org/testament/pguild.html
photo of burned bushes https://testament.org/testament/c38.html
photo of Egyptian pendant https://testament.org/testament/c27.html
photo of a spirit https://testament.org/testament/c16.html
photo of “aliens” https://testament.org/testament/c19.html
photo of a “bigfoot” https://testament.org/testament/c50.html
Mr. KABC,
In case anybody missed my website address and asks for it, I hope you will let them know it’s https://testament.org — if they ask via Email, you may send them a copy of this with the following news release.
Mark Russell Bell
MARK RUSSELL BELL: “GOD HAS REVEALED SECRETS OF LIFE TO ME” —CASE STUDY DOCUMENTED FREE ON THE INTERNET AT https://testament.org
LOS ANGELES — TESTAMENT, available in a free Internet edition published by Mark Russell Bell, documents how God revealed secrets of life to him and provided Bell with physical evidence of his previous incarnation as an Egyptian priest.
He transcribed and edited the interview transcripts and journals that comprise the book after working as a publicity writer for Paramount Pictures, the film studio with the familiar mountain logo. Bell comments, “The Angelic Force that has manifested in my life is the same that spoke to Moses in the Mount, was known to Nostradamus, used Edgar Cayce as a channel, was referred to as ‘The Mahatmas’ by THE SECRET DOCTRINE author Madame Blavatsky, communicated via the Ouija Board to inspire the MESSAGES FROM MICHAEL books, and was glimpsed in a near death experience by Dr. George Ritchie as chronicled by Dr. Raymond A. Moody in LIFE-AFTER-LIFE.” [2021 Update: I later noticed that while Life After Life is dedicated to Ritchie his experience is not included in this book.]
TESTAMENT evolved after Bell wrote an unpublished book chronicling talking poltergeists throughout history, including the Bell Witch case of the early 19th Century. He then learned about a contemporary family—the Bell/Mc Wethy family of Centrahoma—experiencing the talking poltergeist phenomena and traveled to rural Oklahoma for interviews. Upon returning home to Los Angeles, Bell decided to
continue conducting interviews about the unexplained and turned his attention to Hollywood. His lineage chart is included in the book and reveals ties with film directors Alfred Hitchcock (“Rebecca,” “Vertigo”) and Ken Russell (“Tommy,” “Altered States”).
The bell synchronicity in his life culminated when he became aware he had lived a previous life in Egypt as Bel-Marduk also known as Ra-Ta (Sun-Earth) the priest. Visiting an antique store several blocks from his home in Echo Park, Bell found an Egyptian pendant with a profile of his exact likeness. In 1932, Cayce prophesied Ra-Ta would return to the world in 1998; in that year people discovered Bell via his website.
The connection between Bel-Marduk and Ra is a subject of the work of Zecharia Sitchin. In Sitchin’s recent book THE COSMIC CODE, ancient texts are cited concerning Marduk’s emergence from the Great Pyramid. Sitchin identifies these texts on pages 59/84 as “precursors of the New Testament tale of the death, entombment, and resurrection of Jesus. Sentenced to exile, Ra/Marduk became Amen-Ra, the unseen god. . . . scholars seriously debated at the turn of this century whether his story was a prototype of the story of Christ.”
As Bell comments in “Publishing Information” at https://testament.org — “Reading TESTAMENT illuminates the lost knowledge of the relationships of man and the carnal world with those changes that fade or fall away in their various effect, making plain the interpretation of death. The reader’s consciousness is expanded; thus the ‘uncovering’ of the Hall of Records. . . . Spirit has made my life an open book so that others can expand their consciousness.”
In addition to interview and journal transcripts, materials collected at https://testament.org include photographs of a variety of what is sometimes called ‘paranormal phenomena,’ including spirits and apparitions, bushes that went up in flames behind Bell’s condo, a bigfoot, and entities seen at a window that a rural Oklahoma family believe to be aliens.
During a recent national radio interview, Bell spoke about publishing his work as a free “Special Internet Edition”: “I wanted to be sure that it wasn’t spirituality for sale . . . I did want to make sure all the information was available on the Internet for everyone.”
At Paramount, Bell contributed to publicity campaigns for more than 100 films including “Ghost,” several “Star Trek” films, “Scrooged,” “Fire In The Sky,” “Dead Again,” a reissue of “The Ten Commandments,” “The Addams Family,” “Braveheart,” “The Butcher’s Wife,” “Coneheads,” “Forrest Gump,” a couple “Friday the 13th” films, “The Godfather, Part III,” “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade,” “The Indian in the Cupboard,” “Leap of Faith,” “The Naked Gun,” “Pet Sematary,” “U2 Rattle and Hum,” “Virtuosity” and “We’re No Angels.”
Bell says that after his experiences he perceives watching movies or television shows as distractions to the real and important work Spirit calls us to do: helping other members of our human & animal family and stopping the destruction of the Earth’s eco-system.
background information https://testament.org/testament/pguild.html
photo of burned bushes https://testament.org/testament/c38.html
photo of Egyptian pendant https://testament.org/testament/c27.html
photo of a spirit https://testament.org/testament/c16.html
photo of “aliens” https://testament.org/testament/c19.html
photo of a “bigfoot” https://testament.org/testament/c50.html
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: AS MR. KABC SUGGESTED, I LISTENED TO THE SHOW THE FOLLOWING NIGHT AND HERE IS A PORTION FROM THE FINAL HOUR WHEN TODD WILBUR WAS A CALL-IN GUEST FROM LAS VEGAS. I RECORDED THIS BROADCAST ON THE SLOWER SPEED, MAKING SPIRIT MESSAGES/EVP MORE DIFFICULT TO DISTINGUISH.)
M: . . . Well how often (“DO”) do you find that someone just, you know — some rookie out there does better sleuthing than you? Are you being topped all the time or —
T: I don’t think so. (“THERE”) You know what happens is out there, now that we’ve got the Internet and everything, you see these clone recipes — these same clone recipes that have been floating around for the longest time that really are just horrible. Like the KFC — the big popular one before I wrote the book with the KFC secret in there was just using an envelope of good seasoning. Italian salad dressing.
M: Right.
T: You know? Combined with flour and then a KFC coating?
M: Right.
T: No way. It just doesn’t work. It might be a good chicken coating but — and that recipe’s still floating around out there on the Internet and people think they have the real thing. There are a few little sites out there that have some of these recipes but none of them actually test the recipes. They don’t put them to the test in the kitchen. They don’t (“NO”) make them at home. They’re not original recipes. They —
M: Well let’s talk about this. Since you brought it up, what are the Colonel’s eleven herbs and spices?
T: Oh this is so great. You know, their — I — I’m fortunate that I found this book a while back when I first was making this recipe — by William Poundstone called Big Secrets.
M: Right.
T: I don’t know if you’ve heard of it but . . .
M: Yeah, I have a copy of it. Yeah.
T: Yeah. (or “YEAH”) Awesome book. He did a few more after that. He actually had a sampling of that KFC coating sent to the laboratory.
M: Love that.
T: Yeah, (“THEY”) they found not eleven herbs and spices. Maybe — you know, I’m not saying there not in there but a lot of the stuff may be in such a small proportion it didn’t show up in this sampling that he had. But the main things he found in there — really only four ingredients and I based my recipe on this. Flour, obviously. You’ve got your salt and your pepper. And then good old MSG. That’s the secret. MSG.
M: Wow. There’s no paprika? There’s no —
T: There is paprika. There’s a little paprika but it’s so minuscule that it doesn’t really effect the taste like that MSG. MSG in their gravy. It’s in so many things. It’s used in all The, you know, Outback — they use it in a lot of their products. All the restaurant chains use it. (“WE”) I don’t think we realize how much MSG is out there and it has a very distinguishable taste. It’s easy to detect. It’s a great taste. I’m not sure it’s even as harmless as some people think it is but it’s all over.
M: Well it’s supposed to — what does it — like it raises your tastebuds. Isn’t that how MSG works? Is it —
T: Well it’s a natural amino acid found in lots of fruits and vegetables. It’s actually natural. And some people complain that they get headaches from it when they eat Chinese food but if they only knew how many products really have this stuff in it.
M: It’s from soy, isn’t it? Isn’t that the basis for MSG? Is there — there’s a soy base to it?
T: You know how — there are — it comes in so many forms now. If you — it doesn’t have to say monosodium glutamate on the package for there to be MSG in there.
M: Really?
T: It comes in — if I only knew . I think I’m going to write a little column on it for the website actually. It comes in — it’s something like twenty-five different forms or more and it’s in — just it’s in all kinds of stuff.
M: Yeah, because everyone — when they have Chinese food, they think they get the Chinese food headache but if in reality they had an allergy to MSG they’d be finding it in a lot of other foods.
T: Yeah. They really would. And a lot of things that I think would surprise them. . . .
M: . . . Hi. Welcome to KABC. Say hi to Todd Wilbur.
C: Hey, Todd, how are you doing?
T: Hi.
C: Hey, two quick questions. Accent — is that pure MSG?
T: Sure it is. Yeah, that’s MSG right there.
C: So that’s a good thing to know. Also — well what about the Oreo . . .
M: They sell that as the flavor enhancer, right? Isn’t that —
T: Yeah. They call it the flavor enhancer but basically it’s pure MSG.
M: Wow. . . .
M: . . . Well how often (“DO”) do you find that someone just, you know — some rookie out there does better sleuthing than you? Are you being topped all the time or —
T: I don’t think so. (“THERE”) You know what happens is out there, now that we’ve got the Internet and everything, you see these clone recipes — these same clone recipes that have been floating around for the longest time that really are just horrible. Like the KFC — the big popular one before I wrote the book with the KFC secret in there was just using an envelope of good seasoning. Italian salad dressing.
M: Right.
T: You know? Combined with flour and then a KFC coating?
M: Right.
T: No way. It just doesn’t work. It might be a good chicken coating but — and that recipe’s still floating around out there on the Internet and people think they have the real thing. There are a few little sites out there that have some of these recipes but none of them actually test the recipes. They don’t put them to the test in the kitchen. They don’t (“NO”) make them at home. They’re not original recipes. They —
M: Well let’s talk about this. Since you brought it up, what are the Colonel’s eleven herbs and spices?
T: Oh this is so great. You know, their — I — I’m fortunate that I found this book a while back when I first was making this recipe — by William Poundstone called Big Secrets.
M: Right.
T: I don’t know if you’ve heard of it but . . .
M: Yeah, I have a copy of it. Yeah.
T: Yeah. (or “YEAH”) Awesome book. He did a few more after that. He actually had a sampling of that KFC coating sent to the laboratory.
M: Love that.
T: Yeah, (“THEY”) they found not eleven herbs and spices. Maybe — you know, I’m not saying there not in there but a lot of the stuff may be in such a small proportion it didn’t show up in this sampling that he had. But the main things he found in there — really only four ingredients and I based my recipe on this. Flour, obviously. You’ve got your salt and your pepper. And then good old MSG. That’s the secret. MSG.
M: Wow. There’s no paprika? There’s no —
T: There is paprika. There’s a little paprika but it’s so minuscule that it doesn’t really effect the taste like that MSG. MSG in their gravy. It’s in so many things. It’s used in all The, you know, Outback — they use it in a lot of their products. All the restaurant chains use it. (“WE”) I don’t think we realize how much MSG is out there and it has a very distinguishable taste. It’s easy to detect. It’s a great taste. I’m not sure it’s even as harmless as some people think it is but it’s all over.
M: Well it’s supposed to — what does it — like it raises your tastebuds. Isn’t that how MSG works? Is it —
T: Well it’s a natural amino acid found in lots of fruits and vegetables. It’s actually natural. And some people complain that they get headaches from it when they eat Chinese food but if they only knew how many products really have this stuff in it.
M: It’s from soy, isn’t it? Isn’t that the basis for MSG? Is there — there’s a soy base to it?
T: You know how — there are — it comes in so many forms now. If you — it doesn’t have to say monosodium glutamate on the package for there to be MSG in there.
M: Really?
T: It comes in — if I only knew . I think I’m going to write a little column on it for the website actually. It comes in — it’s something like twenty-five different forms or more and it’s in — just it’s in all kinds of stuff.
M: Yeah, because everyone — when they have Chinese food, they think they get the Chinese food headache but if in reality they had an allergy to MSG they’d be finding it in a lot of other foods.
T: Yeah. They really would. And a lot of things that I think would surprise them. . . .
M: . . . Hi. Welcome to KABC. Say hi to Todd Wilbur.
C: Hey, Todd, how are you doing?
T: Hi.
C: Hey, two quick questions. Accent — is that pure MSG?
T: Sure it is. Yeah, that’s MSG right there.
C: So that’s a good thing to know. Also — well what about the Oreo . . .
M: They sell that as the flavor enhancer, right? Isn’t that —
T: Yeah. They call it the flavor enhancer but basically it’s pure MSG.
M: Wow. . . .
Subject: Wednesday / Todd Wilbur / MSGDate: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:37:40 -0700From: Mark Russell Bell <markrussellbell@earthlink.net>Organization: https://testament.orgTo: mrkabc@primenet.com
Mr. KABC,
I listened to the Todd Wilbur interview and couldn’t help thinking that sometimes “feel good” topics can actually have destructive consequences. It was disturbing yet not surprising to learn that Kentucky Fried Chicken contains MSG. It is important listeners be advised that MSG intolerance has been found not to be an allergic reaction but a powerful drug reaction that destroys brain cells. This information is available at websites such as http://nomsg.com where people can learn that “MSG ‘tricks’ your brain into thinking the food you are eating tastes good. Manufacturers can use inferior ingredients and thus make the product seem tastier. Inferior products and higher profits prevail at the expense of consumer health.”
I hope you will remind listeners about https://testament.org and I am available to describe and discuss my experiences. If you would like to schedule something, my number is (gives number).
Mark Russell Bell
Mr. KABC,
I listened to the Todd Wilbur interview and couldn’t help thinking that sometimes “feel good” topics can actually have destructive consequences. It was disturbing yet not surprising to learn that Kentucky Fried Chicken contains MSG. It is important listeners be advised that MSG intolerance has been found not to be an allergic reaction but a powerful drug reaction that destroys brain cells. This information is available at websites such as http://nomsg.com where people can learn that “MSG ‘tricks’ your brain into thinking the food you are eating tastes good. Manufacturers can use inferior ingredients and thus make the product seem tastier. Inferior products and higher profits prevail at the expense of consumer health.”
I hope you will remind listeners about https://testament.org and I am available to describe and discuss my experiences. If you would like to schedule something, my number is (gives number).
Mark Russell Bell
Subject: Transcript of My Recent CallDate: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:12:37 -0700From: Mark Russell Bell <markrussellbell@earthlink.net>Organization: https://testament.orgTo: mrkabc@primenet.com
Mr. KABC,
Here is a transcript of my call to your show last month.
Mark Russell Bell
Mr. KABC,
Here is a transcript of my call to your show last month.
Mark Russell Bell
Subject: Re: Transcript of My Recent CallDate: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:57:44 -0400From: “Mr. KABC” <mrkabc@primenet.com>To: <markrussellbell@earthlink.net>References: 1
Why would you transcribe our conversations? There must be better uses for your time.
Thanks for finding Mr. KABC
Weeknights from 7:00 – 10:00 PST
TalkRadio 790 KABC www.mrkabc.com
Why would you transcribe our conversations? There must be better uses for your time.
Thanks for finding Mr. KABC
Weeknights from 7:00 – 10:00 PST
TalkRadio 790 KABC www.mrkabc.com
Subject: Re: Transcript of My Recent CallDate: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:16:50 -0700From: Mark Russell Bell <markrussellbell@earthlink.net>Organization: https://testament.orgTo: “Mr. KABC” <mrkabc@primenet.com>References: 1 , 2
Mr. KABC,
There is a section in the NT portion of the https://testament.org website featuring transcripts of all my radio interviews and calls to various radio shows (unless prevented by a tape recorder problem). The section is in need of updating yet weekly it is probably the single most popular section of the website.
Mark
Mr. KABC,
There is a section in the NT portion of the https://testament.org website featuring transcripts of all my radio interviews and calls to various radio shows (unless prevented by a tape recorder problem). The section is in need of updating yet weekly it is probably the single most popular section of the website.
Mark
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