RADIO INTERVIEW — TAPE #182 EXCERPT
Q: Mark Russell Bell
R: Y100 radio spot voice
B: Barsky of “The Barsky Show”
H: Shemp
S: Sherri Lee Stevens
K: Kim Douglas
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE JANUARY 29, 1997 NEWS RELEASE DISTRIBUTED VIA PR NEWSWIRE GENERATED TWO TELEPHONE ENQUIRIES. THE FIRST RESULTED IN AN INTERVIEW WITH DAVID MOYE OF WIRELESS FLASH, CULMINATING IN A BULLETIN TRANSMITTED VIA FAX AND THE INTERNET ON TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 4TH AS SHOWN ABOVE. THIS GENERATED FIVE RESPONSES FROM MORNING RADIO SHOWS AND BOOKINGS RESULTED FOR THREE OF THESE SHOWS.)
[2021 UPDATE: I HADN'T PURSUED THE FIRST TWO LOCAL 'MORNING ZOO' OPPORTUNITIES YET CHANGED MY MIND AFTER CONSIDERING WHAT SEEMED TO BE A GENERAL AND PERVASIVE LACK OF INTEREST IN THE BOOK DUE TO DISBELIEF. I COULD UNDERSTAND THAT MENTALITY SOMEWHAT AS MY OWN ORIENTATION WAS SIMILAR TO THIS PRIOR TO THE EVENTS CHRONICLED IN TESTAMENT.]
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: MY DICTAPHONE TAPE RECORDER WAS BEING PREPARED SO I USED MY COUNTER SPY SHOP TAPE RECORDER AND THERE WERE TECHNICAL MALFUNCTIONS AS PRODUCER BEN MAXWELL PUTS ME ON HOLD IN PREPARATION FOR MY INTERVIEW FOLLOWING TWO SONGS. THE INTERVIEW WAS BROADCAST SHORTLY AFTER 7 A.M. IN PHILADELPHIA. THERE ARE FOUR COMMENTATORS SO SOME QUOTES MAY HAVE BEEN MISATTRIBUTED. I WONDER IF THE SPIRIT MESSAGES AUDIBLE ON MY MICROCASSETTE COULD BE HEARD BY THE RADIO AUDIENCE.)
R: . . . “The Barsky Show” on Y100.
(THE SONG THAT IS PLAYED WHILE I’M ON HOLD IS “I’M THE ONLY ONE” BY MELISSA ETHERIDGE. LYRICS INCLUDE “PLEASE BABY CAN’T YOU SEE MY MIND’S A BURNIN’ HELL . . . WHEN ALL YOUR PROMISES ARE GONE I’M THE ONLY ONE.”)
B: We’re talking to this guy, Mark Russell Bell. He is a movie industry publicist who claims that Nostradamus wrote about him. Uhhhhhh, that’s all I have.
H: That’s right. (That’s) all there is.
B: All there is. And that he is — (“HE WOULD”) he’s going to help save the world. And he actually is going to write a book proving God’s existence and his next book (he) says it will be a little different because he plans on outing every gay actor and actress in Hollywood.
S: Ha ha.
B: I’d rather hear about that than the other thing.
H: Okay.
B: So, listen, we’re going to talk to Mark and we’re going to talk to him next. Right after Bush on Y100.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THERE IS ANOTHER MOMENTARY MALFUNCTION WHEN I TURN THE TAPE RECORDER BACK ON.)
B: . . . telling you. Sherri?
S: Yeah?
B: Shep’s friends called me a pussy.
S: Ohhhhhhh!
H: They actually said pissy but — (“OH”)
S: Same difference but gosh — (“THEY”) oh my? Why?
B: Yeah, they did because I didn’t go to the Wings game.
H: That’s right.
S: But —
B: And you won’t do a Wings fight song.
S: Sweetheart, can I say something to make you feel better?
B: What?
S: We’re talking about Shep’s friends.
B: I know.
S: Do you really care?
B: No credibility whatsoever.
S: I mean do you really care if they called you any name?
H: Who’s the lowest of the low.
B: (They) called me (a) bad name.
S: And that wasn’t very nice.
B: That wasn’t nice. You tell those boys —
H: They love the show, though.
B: Alright. (“I SUCK”) Alright, Sherry’s got Philadelphia weather.
S: Lots of sunshine today as you can see. A high of 40. Clouds tonight. A low of 23. Sunny again tomorrow. A high of 38 temperature.
H: 22.
B: Listen. This Friday is the big “Barsky on Ice Valentine’s Day Wedding Spectacular.” (“TWO”) From what I understand, the three nightly newscasts will be broadcast —
S: Huh?
B: It doesn’t make sense.
K: Right. Because they’re on at night.
B: The three morning news shows will be broadcasting: “Good Morning America,” “Today” and “CBS.” That big. “CNN.”
S: Stop.
B: Everybody.
S: Stop it. (“B”)
B: “BET.”
S: Stop it.
B: The Disney Ch(annel) — what?
H: I was actually out at the rink on Saturday. I think Ben was there Sunday. (“NO”) And people were getting psyched for it. It’s going to be cool.
B: It’s a wedding all paid for. Mayor Rendell will do the ceremonies. The Caulfields will be there as our wedding band playing for you. We are going to have people who are renewing their vows, (“THEY’RE”) getting married for the first time, alternative couples, whatever — but call this number so you can get in now. (gives number) We’re so full of — (“UH-HUH”)
H: Crap.
B: Excitement — and crap.
S: (laughs)
B: But we’re really filling up on this thing so there are just a flew slots left. Call in and get in. And then we’re going to have to put the kibosh on it. It’s going to be packed — twice as big as it was last year. So call the number. (gives number) And I believe that we’re going to be giving away a wedding dress that one of our brides who has registered —
K: They’ll be able to wear it that day.
S: That’ll be very nice.
B: — will be able to wear it that day. Yeah. (“HOW”) We’ll be able to give it away later on this morning. Alright. (sound effect attributed to show) Now we go to the lines. And we go to this line for Mark Russell Bell. Hi, Mark.
Q: Good morning.
B: How are you?
Q: Very good.
B: Mark is a Los Angeles-based entertainment publicist and are you still working, Mark?
Q: I took a sabbatical to work on my book but I’ve worked on more than a hundred Paramount movies and, of course, Paramount is the famous studio in Hollywood. (“RIGHT”) So I’ve worked on everything from “Fatal Attraction” and “The Untouchables” to “Forrest Gump” and “Braveheart.” (“I WOULD”)
B: Now —
Q: What I did, though, is like I would position the films for the press (“I”) and discuss what the films are about. Of course, I didn’t tell people that the real William Wallace, ‘Braveheart,’ was a fat, butchering pig.
S: (laughs)
Q: Some people think this guy’s like — (“HE’S”) he’s a hero and he’s really not. So it’s real easy to pull the wool over the press’s eyes sometimes.
B: Right. Well, you have that publicist sound about you.
Q: I sure do.
B: Now listen. Let’s get right to it.
S: (laughs nervously)
Q: Okay. My book is out, by the way. You said I was writing it but it is finished. It is available.
S: Oh. Oh, okay.
B: What’s it called. Testicle?
Q: It’s called Testament.
B: Oh. Testament. (“HA”)
Q: Yeah. (“FI”)
B: Uh, the — you —
S: Let him hear about Nostradamus. (“FREE”)
B: Yeah. Really. I want to hear about this Nostradamus that you — you claim that Nostradamus mentions you in his —
H: Quatrains.
Q: Well, of course, since I’m ‘Mabus’ I can see that he’s written a lot more about me than most people realize because some of the things that people have attributed to other sources are really about me.
S: Like?
Q: For example —
B: Basically, everything that he’s talked about is about you?
Q: No — no, not everything. But most everything.
B: Well, why would he pick you?
Q: Well, for example, my condo’s across from the Angelus Temple and I’m an identical twin and I come from the 'House of Russell,' which is (“THE”) the first race of ancestry known as the dukes of Normandy so, basically, Nostradamus wrote about — he said, “Before a monastery will be found a twin infant, / Descended from an ancient monastic bloodline: / His fame and power through sects and eloquence / Is such that they will say the living twin is rightly the elect [the chosen one].” It continues that, “A man will be given —”
B: You know, this could really be for everybody.
Q: You have to be an identical twin living in front of a monastery —
B: Right. Well, I’m sure —
Q: — descended from an ancient monastic bloodline. By the way, my mother’s maiden name was King.
B: (technical interference) . . . might look into Nostradamus . . .
Q: Yes, but it also says that he “will be given the task of destroying / temples and sects — S — E — C — T — S; not S — E — X — changed by [strange] fantasies: / He will harm rocks rather than the living, / By filling ears with eloquence.”
B: Are you near a lake right now?
S: (laughs)
H: (laughs)
Q: So I have a very simple message that there is only one religion and it is love.
B: Love. Now we’re getting to it because you bore me with the other stuff. Let’s get to the ‘gion’ — ‘there’s only one religion. That religion is love. What we need is love today. Love they brother. Love. What we need is love today.’
Q: So, anyway, I went to a channeler to find out about this connection because I have all this bizarre religious symbolism in my life and I live with an Angel too, by the way. The Angel Mighael.
B: Michael.
S: Okay.
Q: Right. See, I started out because I was doing a history book of talking poltergeists.
B: So what you’re saying is that you’re living with John Travolta?
H: (laughs)
S: (laughs)
Q: No.
H: Oh boy, here we go.
B: Let’s get into that. Listen, I — this is really interesting —
Q: Yeah?
K: But.
S: (laughs)
B: But I think the real reason why I wanted to call was simply a way to get to this other one. I’m more interested in the book you’re going to write about outing every gay actor and actress in Hollywood.
Q: Right. Well, you have to remember, though, in doing interviews — in terms of whenever you have gossip you always have to consider the subtext and the circumstances. So it really means nothing to say that somebody’s a lesbian or — like let’s say Demi Moore’s a lesbian. (“I MEAN”) No big deal.
B: Right.
Q: But unless you have the circumstances and what’s leading somebody to make this statement it doesn’t really mean anything. I mean I’ve heard that rumor about everyone in Hollywood.
B: But you have (“I”) the proof, though?
Q: What?
B: You’re going to out people that we don’t know about? You know people —
Q: Let’s just say that in Hollywood (“THERE ARE”) like everyone is really gay?
B: Right.
Q: Maybe in society everyone is really gay.
S: According to you, right? (laughs)
B: You’re — you’re — yeah — no no no —
Q: Well, if the angel Mighael is gay and He is “who is as God” it makes you wonder.
B: You’re looking at the world through gay glasses.
Q: Well, aren’t we all.
S: (sputters lips)
B: Well, I don’t believe —
Q: It’s possible.
B: — saying we’re all gay?
Q: It’s a definite possibility.
S: But what gives you the right to out all these people?
H: Yeah.
Q: I just said that we’re all gay. I mean that’s outing everyone.
B: Everyone’s gay?
S: Okay. (“WE’LL BUY ONE”)
B: So the book is going to be really boring because you’re going to be outing people —
H: The yellow pages.
B: Yeah. (“HA HA HA”) You’re going to be outing the entire SAG directory.
Q: Well, that’s my next book. This book is especially interesting, though, because (“THIS”) this will show you what led up to that because this book really wasn’t something that I really planned on writing. What happened is I was investigating a talking poltergeist in Oklahoma —
B: Yeah, you’re on —
Q: — as seen on “20/20.”
S: (laughs)
B: Hey Mark.
Q: Yeah?
H: Can you give us a little taste of what’s going to be in the book?
B: Yeah, give me some names.
Q: Okay, I went to — okay, this is a channeled message I had in the book. It says, “The story of Christ does have some physical basis but is really more story. The intent of it is to show souls what they should strive toward —”
B: No no no. What book is that?
Q: My book Testament.
B: I don’t care about that. I want to hear about the gay book.
S: He wants the gay book. (laughs)
B: Tell me the gay people! People that we don’t know would be gay.
H: Bring ’em over here. Tom Cruise.
Q: Well, Barsky, you’re gay.
S: (laughs)
B: I am?
H: I don’t think so.
B: What a twist, huh? (“WHEN DID I”) When did I become gay? When did I become gay?
Q: Well, why would you be so preoccupied with homosexuality — unless you were gay?
B: No, I’m just interested. I think everybody’s interested —
Q: Well, of course, you’re interested because you’re gay. Come out of the closet, Barsky.
S: (laughs)
B: Alright. Alright. I’m coming out right now.
K: Go Diana.
H: Mark — come on —
S: (laughs)
H: — we go down —
B: Give me some music I can dance to —
H: Yeah!
B: — because I want to dance.
S: (laughs)
B: And I want you to refer to me now as Carol.
Q: By the way, my book is available from the Philosophical Research Society and the Bodhi Tree in Los Angeles.
B: What? I’m sorry. What?
Q: The book’s available from the Philosophical Research Society if I could give you a phone number so you might actually read the book before interviewing someone next time.
B: No, I’m not interested.
Q: Could I give the 800 number to your audience so they can make up their own mind?
B: You think I really was going to read your book before I talked to you? The whole book?
Q: Usually, as a publicist, that’s something that I would insist on but in —
B: Never happened.
Q: Can I give you my —
B: I run a — (“FAG”)
H: . . . that one. (“DID TOO”) I never got a request re: a — if you wanted, Mark, we could have, you know, waited until you sent the book.
B: Yeah. But even if we had it, we probably wouldn’t have — go ahead. Give the phone number.
Q: Okay. Your listeners can call (gives 800 number). That’s the Philosophical Research Society in Los Angeles.
B: ‘1-800-I’m gay.’
Q: And the price is $26.20, which includes the shipping charges and — (“TWO OF THE”)
B: $26. Let’s get back to the gay —
Q: Okay.
B: Give me another name. Give me some real names.
Q: Well, see, this angel that I met in Oklahoma apparently is gay. (“YEAH”) And (“SO”) basically He had been in my life all the time because I had all these really bizarre experiences.
B: Really? A gay angel?
Q: Right.
K: How would God —
S: Mark, you’re Gay?
B: So he doesn’t need (“WHY”) wings is what you’re saying?
S: (laughs)
B: Scary. I —
S: Mark —
Q: What?
S: Let me just clarify this. You are gay? You’re a gay man?
Q: Correct. Correct.
B: He’s hetero.
S: Okay.
Q: Why else would Mighael have chosen me?
B: Well, you’re gay?
Q: Yes.
H: Ow.
S: So your angel Michael is gay? And he’s revealed to you who in the world or who in Hollywood is gay?
Q: Well, see His name means who — the angel Mighael is “who is as God” —
S: Right.
Q: So He might even be God’s alter-ego. I mean He’s the Holy Ghost. Let’s face it. But —
H: What about Jesus? (Is) Jesus gay?
S: Oh my God.
Q: Well, see, I —
B: You said everybody was gay. Is Jesus gay?
Q: Well, obviously. If everyone is gay, then Jesus is gay.
S: But you — but Mark — you don’t truly believe that everybody is gay, do you?
K: And what does God think about that?
S: Well wait. Let him answer the question. Mark?
B: Do you believe everybody is gay?
Q: Of course, I do. Because you have to remember when Adam and Eve fell from grace when they were immortal, how did they do that? Maybe it was by having sex with each other.
B: So you mean Adam and Steve?
S: Adam and —
K: Right. (laughs)
S: Adam and Eve.
Q: Adam and Eve. They were supposed to live eternally. Maybe it was because they had sex with each other is the reason why . . . (malfunction)
K: They were supposed to be with people their same sex. (“YEAH”)
Q: Right.
B: Okay, then how would there be —
H: How would there be procreation?
Q: Well, there wouldn’t need to be because your soul is eternal.
B: So if you have sex — (“YOU’LL”)
K: Where do the souls come from?
B: If you don’t have sex, you’ll live forever?
Q: Well —
B: With a member of the op(posite sex)?
Q: Who knows? I’m just explaining their fall from grace. I’m not really — (“I DON’T”) I can’t say that I have all the answers. I just know —
B: Mark, let me ask you a question. (“YEAH”) Are you sure that you think everybody is gay or you wish everybody was gay?
S: (laughs)
H: (laughs)
Q: What’s the difference? (they all laugh)
B: We’re going to call him again. Mark, we’re going to call you again.
Q: Okay.
B: I have to collect my thoughts but, you know what, if we — when we do this — we call you at home when we hear a rumor about someone being gay?
Q: Well, everyone’s gay so you’ll hear a lot of rumors.
B: Alright.
H: So he’ll verify . . . (“SO IF I”)
Q: Right.
B: So if I hear a rumor that’s somebody hetero I’ll be able to call you back.
Q: I guess. If you want to. That’s an illusion but —
B: Okay.
S: Oh man!
B: Alright. Mark, thank you so much.
Q: Okay.
B: Bye-bye.
Q: Thank you.
S: Bye. (“BB”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: FOLLOWING THE INTERVIEW, I SENT MR. BARSKY THE FOLLOWING LETTER DATED FEBRUARY 10, 1997. I DIDN’T HAVE TWO OF THE FOUR NAMES OF THE PEOPLE WHO CONVERSED WITH ME AT THIS TIME.)
[2021 UPDATE: I HADN'T PURSUED THE FIRST TWO LOCAL 'MORNING ZOO' OPPORTUNITIES YET CHANGED MY MIND AFTER CONSIDERING WHAT SEEMED TO BE A GENERAL AND PERVASIVE LACK OF INTEREST IN THE BOOK DUE TO DISBELIEF. I COULD UNDERSTAND THAT MENTALITY SOMEWHAT AS MY OWN ORIENTATION WAS SIMILAR TO THIS PRIOR TO THE EVENTS CHRONICLED IN TESTAMENT.]
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: MY DICTAPHONE TAPE RECORDER WAS BEING PREPARED SO I USED MY COUNTER SPY SHOP TAPE RECORDER AND THERE WERE TECHNICAL MALFUNCTIONS AS PRODUCER BEN MAXWELL PUTS ME ON HOLD IN PREPARATION FOR MY INTERVIEW FOLLOWING TWO SONGS. THE INTERVIEW WAS BROADCAST SHORTLY AFTER 7 A.M. IN PHILADELPHIA. THERE ARE FOUR COMMENTATORS SO SOME QUOTES MAY HAVE BEEN MISATTRIBUTED. I WONDER IF THE SPIRIT MESSAGES AUDIBLE ON MY MICROCASSETTE COULD BE HEARD BY THE RADIO AUDIENCE.)
R: . . . “The Barsky Show” on Y100.
(THE SONG THAT IS PLAYED WHILE I’M ON HOLD IS “I’M THE ONLY ONE” BY MELISSA ETHERIDGE. LYRICS INCLUDE “PLEASE BABY CAN’T YOU SEE MY MIND’S A BURNIN’ HELL . . . WHEN ALL YOUR PROMISES ARE GONE I’M THE ONLY ONE.”)
B: We’re talking to this guy, Mark Russell Bell. He is a movie industry publicist who claims that Nostradamus wrote about him. Uhhhhhh, that’s all I have.
H: That’s right. (That’s) all there is.
B: All there is. And that he is — (“HE WOULD”) he’s going to help save the world. And he actually is going to write a book proving God’s existence and his next book (he) says it will be a little different because he plans on outing every gay actor and actress in Hollywood.
S: Ha ha.
B: I’d rather hear about that than the other thing.
H: Okay.
B: So, listen, we’re going to talk to Mark and we’re going to talk to him next. Right after Bush on Y100.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THERE IS ANOTHER MOMENTARY MALFUNCTION WHEN I TURN THE TAPE RECORDER BACK ON.)
B: . . . telling you. Sherri?
S: Yeah?
B: Shep’s friends called me a pussy.
S: Ohhhhhhh!
H: They actually said pissy but — (“OH”)
S: Same difference but gosh — (“THEY”) oh my? Why?
B: Yeah, they did because I didn’t go to the Wings game.
H: That’s right.
S: But —
B: And you won’t do a Wings fight song.
S: Sweetheart, can I say something to make you feel better?
B: What?
S: We’re talking about Shep’s friends.
B: I know.
S: Do you really care?
B: No credibility whatsoever.
S: I mean do you really care if they called you any name?
H: Who’s the lowest of the low.
B: (They) called me (a) bad name.
S: And that wasn’t very nice.
B: That wasn’t nice. You tell those boys —
H: They love the show, though.
B: Alright. (“I SUCK”) Alright, Sherry’s got Philadelphia weather.
S: Lots of sunshine today as you can see. A high of 40. Clouds tonight. A low of 23. Sunny again tomorrow. A high of 38 temperature.
H: 22.
B: Listen. This Friday is the big “Barsky on Ice Valentine’s Day Wedding Spectacular.” (“TWO”) From what I understand, the three nightly newscasts will be broadcast —
S: Huh?
B: It doesn’t make sense.
K: Right. Because they’re on at night.
B: The three morning news shows will be broadcasting: “Good Morning America,” “Today” and “CBS.” That big. “CNN.”
S: Stop.
B: Everybody.
S: Stop it. (“B”)
B: “BET.”
S: Stop it.
B: The Disney Ch(annel) — what?
H: I was actually out at the rink on Saturday. I think Ben was there Sunday. (“NO”) And people were getting psyched for it. It’s going to be cool.
B: It’s a wedding all paid for. Mayor Rendell will do the ceremonies. The Caulfields will be there as our wedding band playing for you. We are going to have people who are renewing their vows, (“THEY’RE”) getting married for the first time, alternative couples, whatever — but call this number so you can get in now. (gives number) We’re so full of — (“UH-HUH”)
H: Crap.
B: Excitement — and crap.
S: (laughs)
B: But we’re really filling up on this thing so there are just a flew slots left. Call in and get in. And then we’re going to have to put the kibosh on it. It’s going to be packed — twice as big as it was last year. So call the number. (gives number) And I believe that we’re going to be giving away a wedding dress that one of our brides who has registered —
K: They’ll be able to wear it that day.
S: That’ll be very nice.
B: — will be able to wear it that day. Yeah. (“HOW”) We’ll be able to give it away later on this morning. Alright. (sound effect attributed to show) Now we go to the lines. And we go to this line for Mark Russell Bell. Hi, Mark.
Q: Good morning.
B: How are you?
Q: Very good.
B: Mark is a Los Angeles-based entertainment publicist and are you still working, Mark?
Q: I took a sabbatical to work on my book but I’ve worked on more than a hundred Paramount movies and, of course, Paramount is the famous studio in Hollywood. (“RIGHT”) So I’ve worked on everything from “Fatal Attraction” and “The Untouchables” to “Forrest Gump” and “Braveheart.” (“I WOULD”)
B: Now —
Q: What I did, though, is like I would position the films for the press (“I”) and discuss what the films are about. Of course, I didn’t tell people that the real William Wallace, ‘Braveheart,’ was a fat, butchering pig.
S: (laughs)
Q: Some people think this guy’s like — (“HE’S”) he’s a hero and he’s really not. So it’s real easy to pull the wool over the press’s eyes sometimes.
B: Right. Well, you have that publicist sound about you.
Q: I sure do.
B: Now listen. Let’s get right to it.
S: (laughs nervously)
Q: Okay. My book is out, by the way. You said I was writing it but it is finished. It is available.
S: Oh. Oh, okay.
B: What’s it called. Testicle?
Q: It’s called Testament.
B: Oh. Testament. (“HA”)
Q: Yeah. (“FI”)
B: Uh, the — you —
S: Let him hear about Nostradamus. (“FREE”)
B: Yeah. Really. I want to hear about this Nostradamus that you — you claim that Nostradamus mentions you in his —
H: Quatrains.
Q: Well, of course, since I’m ‘Mabus’ I can see that he’s written a lot more about me than most people realize because some of the things that people have attributed to other sources are really about me.
S: Like?
Q: For example —
B: Basically, everything that he’s talked about is about you?
Q: No — no, not everything. But most everything.
B: Well, why would he pick you?
Q: Well, for example, my condo’s across from the Angelus Temple and I’m an identical twin and I come from the 'House of Russell,' which is (“THE”) the first race of ancestry known as the dukes of Normandy so, basically, Nostradamus wrote about — he said, “Before a monastery will be found a twin infant, / Descended from an ancient monastic bloodline: / His fame and power through sects and eloquence / Is such that they will say the living twin is rightly the elect [the chosen one].” It continues that, “A man will be given —”
B: You know, this could really be for everybody.
Q: You have to be an identical twin living in front of a monastery —
B: Right. Well, I’m sure —
Q: — descended from an ancient monastic bloodline. By the way, my mother’s maiden name was King.
B: (technical interference) . . . might look into Nostradamus . . .
Q: Yes, but it also says that he “will be given the task of destroying / temples and sects — S — E — C — T — S; not S — E — X — changed by [strange] fantasies: / He will harm rocks rather than the living, / By filling ears with eloquence.”
B: Are you near a lake right now?
S: (laughs)
H: (laughs)
Q: So I have a very simple message that there is only one religion and it is love.
B: Love. Now we’re getting to it because you bore me with the other stuff. Let’s get to the ‘gion’ — ‘there’s only one religion. That religion is love. What we need is love today. Love they brother. Love. What we need is love today.’
Q: So, anyway, I went to a channeler to find out about this connection because I have all this bizarre religious symbolism in my life and I live with an Angel too, by the way. The Angel Mighael.
B: Michael.
S: Okay.
Q: Right. See, I started out because I was doing a history book of talking poltergeists.
B: So what you’re saying is that you’re living with John Travolta?
H: (laughs)
S: (laughs)
Q: No.
H: Oh boy, here we go.
B: Let’s get into that. Listen, I — this is really interesting —
Q: Yeah?
K: But.
S: (laughs)
B: But I think the real reason why I wanted to call was simply a way to get to this other one. I’m more interested in the book you’re going to write about outing every gay actor and actress in Hollywood.
Q: Right. Well, you have to remember, though, in doing interviews — in terms of whenever you have gossip you always have to consider the subtext and the circumstances. So it really means nothing to say that somebody’s a lesbian or — like let’s say Demi Moore’s a lesbian. (“I MEAN”) No big deal.
B: Right.
Q: But unless you have the circumstances and what’s leading somebody to make this statement it doesn’t really mean anything. I mean I’ve heard that rumor about everyone in Hollywood.
B: But you have (“I”) the proof, though?
Q: What?
B: You’re going to out people that we don’t know about? You know people —
Q: Let’s just say that in Hollywood (“THERE ARE”) like everyone is really gay?
B: Right.
Q: Maybe in society everyone is really gay.
S: According to you, right? (laughs)
B: You’re — you’re — yeah — no no no —
Q: Well, if the angel Mighael is gay and He is “who is as God” it makes you wonder.
B: You’re looking at the world through gay glasses.
Q: Well, aren’t we all.
S: (sputters lips)
B: Well, I don’t believe —
Q: It’s possible.
B: — saying we’re all gay?
Q: It’s a definite possibility.
S: But what gives you the right to out all these people?
H: Yeah.
Q: I just said that we’re all gay. I mean that’s outing everyone.
B: Everyone’s gay?
S: Okay. (“WE’LL BUY ONE”)
B: So the book is going to be really boring because you’re going to be outing people —
H: The yellow pages.
B: Yeah. (“HA HA HA”) You’re going to be outing the entire SAG directory.
Q: Well, that’s my next book. This book is especially interesting, though, because (“THIS”) this will show you what led up to that because this book really wasn’t something that I really planned on writing. What happened is I was investigating a talking poltergeist in Oklahoma —
B: Yeah, you’re on —
Q: — as seen on “20/20.”
S: (laughs)
B: Hey Mark.
Q: Yeah?
H: Can you give us a little taste of what’s going to be in the book?
B: Yeah, give me some names.
Q: Okay, I went to — okay, this is a channeled message I had in the book. It says, “The story of Christ does have some physical basis but is really more story. The intent of it is to show souls what they should strive toward —”
B: No no no. What book is that?
Q: My book Testament.
B: I don’t care about that. I want to hear about the gay book.
S: He wants the gay book. (laughs)
B: Tell me the gay people! People that we don’t know would be gay.
H: Bring ’em over here. Tom Cruise.
Q: Well, Barsky, you’re gay.
S: (laughs)
B: I am?
H: I don’t think so.
B: What a twist, huh? (“WHEN DID I”) When did I become gay? When did I become gay?
Q: Well, why would you be so preoccupied with homosexuality — unless you were gay?
B: No, I’m just interested. I think everybody’s interested —
Q: Well, of course, you’re interested because you’re gay. Come out of the closet, Barsky.
S: (laughs)
B: Alright. Alright. I’m coming out right now.
K: Go Diana.
H: Mark — come on —
S: (laughs)
H: — we go down —
B: Give me some music I can dance to —
H: Yeah!
B: — because I want to dance.
S: (laughs)
B: And I want you to refer to me now as Carol.
Q: By the way, my book is available from the Philosophical Research Society and the Bodhi Tree in Los Angeles.
B: What? I’m sorry. What?
Q: The book’s available from the Philosophical Research Society if I could give you a phone number so you might actually read the book before interviewing someone next time.
B: No, I’m not interested.
Q: Could I give the 800 number to your audience so they can make up their own mind?
B: You think I really was going to read your book before I talked to you? The whole book?
Q: Usually, as a publicist, that’s something that I would insist on but in —
B: Never happened.
Q: Can I give you my —
B: I run a — (“FAG”)
H: . . . that one. (“DID TOO”) I never got a request re: a — if you wanted, Mark, we could have, you know, waited until you sent the book.
B: Yeah. But even if we had it, we probably wouldn’t have — go ahead. Give the phone number.
Q: Okay. Your listeners can call (gives 800 number). That’s the Philosophical Research Society in Los Angeles.
B: ‘1-800-I’m gay.’
Q: And the price is $26.20, which includes the shipping charges and — (“TWO OF THE”)
B: $26. Let’s get back to the gay —
Q: Okay.
B: Give me another name. Give me some real names.
Q: Well, see, this angel that I met in Oklahoma apparently is gay. (“YEAH”) And (“SO”) basically He had been in my life all the time because I had all these really bizarre experiences.
B: Really? A gay angel?
Q: Right.
K: How would God —
S: Mark, you’re Gay?
B: So he doesn’t need (“WHY”) wings is what you’re saying?
S: (laughs)
B: Scary. I —
S: Mark —
Q: What?
S: Let me just clarify this. You are gay? You’re a gay man?
Q: Correct. Correct.
B: He’s hetero.
S: Okay.
Q: Why else would Mighael have chosen me?
B: Well, you’re gay?
Q: Yes.
H: Ow.
S: So your angel Michael is gay? And he’s revealed to you who in the world or who in Hollywood is gay?
Q: Well, see His name means who — the angel Mighael is “who is as God” —
S: Right.
Q: So He might even be God’s alter-ego. I mean He’s the Holy Ghost. Let’s face it. But —
H: What about Jesus? (Is) Jesus gay?
S: Oh my God.
Q: Well, see, I —
B: You said everybody was gay. Is Jesus gay?
Q: Well, obviously. If everyone is gay, then Jesus is gay.
S: But you — but Mark — you don’t truly believe that everybody is gay, do you?
K: And what does God think about that?
S: Well wait. Let him answer the question. Mark?
B: Do you believe everybody is gay?
Q: Of course, I do. Because you have to remember when Adam and Eve fell from grace when they were immortal, how did they do that? Maybe it was by having sex with each other.
B: So you mean Adam and Steve?
S: Adam and —
K: Right. (laughs)
S: Adam and Eve.
Q: Adam and Eve. They were supposed to live eternally. Maybe it was because they had sex with each other is the reason why . . . (malfunction)
K: They were supposed to be with people their same sex. (“YEAH”)
Q: Right.
B: Okay, then how would there be —
H: How would there be procreation?
Q: Well, there wouldn’t need to be because your soul is eternal.
B: So if you have sex — (“YOU’LL”)
K: Where do the souls come from?
B: If you don’t have sex, you’ll live forever?
Q: Well —
B: With a member of the op(posite sex)?
Q: Who knows? I’m just explaining their fall from grace. I’m not really — (“I DON’T”) I can’t say that I have all the answers. I just know —
B: Mark, let me ask you a question. (“YEAH”) Are you sure that you think everybody is gay or you wish everybody was gay?
S: (laughs)
H: (laughs)
Q: What’s the difference? (they all laugh)
B: We’re going to call him again. Mark, we’re going to call you again.
Q: Okay.
B: I have to collect my thoughts but, you know what, if we — when we do this — we call you at home when we hear a rumor about someone being gay?
Q: Well, everyone’s gay so you’ll hear a lot of rumors.
B: Alright.
H: So he’ll verify . . . (“SO IF I”)
Q: Right.
B: So if I hear a rumor that’s somebody hetero I’ll be able to call you back.
Q: I guess. If you want to. That’s an illusion but —
B: Okay.
S: Oh man!
B: Alright. Mark, thank you so much.
Q: Okay.
B: Bye-bye.
Q: Thank you.
S: Bye. (“BB”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: FOLLOWING THE INTERVIEW, I SENT MR. BARSKY THE FOLLOWING LETTER DATED FEBRUARY 10, 1997. I DIDN’T HAVE TWO OF THE FOUR NAMES OF THE PEOPLE WHO CONVERSED WITH ME AT THIS TIME.)
Dear Mr. Barsky,
Thank you so much for having me as a guest on your show. I enjoyed being a disembodied voice on your show and conversing with you and Sherri Lee Stevens. Your first name wouldn’t be Michael, by any chance?! I am providing you with a complimentary copy of Testament.
So you wondered what was going on with the rock from Mars, the face on Mars, ice on the moon, the comet Hale-Bopp, cattle mutilations, government coverups, crop circles, alien visitations, “Twin Peaks,” national debt crisis, the Simpson case and “12 Monkeys”?!?! Here is Testament, the case study of the Second Coming — a book 2,000 years in the making.
As you will see in the book’s initial interview transcript, I began work on this project after researching ‘The Bell Witch,’ the famous talking poltergeist case from the early 19th century. After reading a Fortean Times article about a similar contemporary case in Oklahoma, I contacted the family and discovered they also were named Bell! This inspired me to visit the family and embark on an odyssey into the unexplained.
As I learned more about the amassing of spirits encountered by the family, who affectionately refer to Him/Them as ‘Michael’ (as given a rather stereotyped approach on ABC’s “Ghosts, Mediums, Psychics: Put To The Test” and “20/20′), I realized that this is in fact an Angel.
In Oklahoma, I witnessed diverse supernatural phenomena and was startled when the materialization of objects around me continued upon returning to Los Angeles, where my condo is located across from the Angelus Temple. Most startling of all, my interview tapes from Oklahoma contained sounds and spirit messages that were not heard during the sessions.
I continued doing interviews and even participated in a past life regression. I found evidence that I once was an Egyptian deity named Bel-Marduk (see color photo 27 on center insert page VII) as well as the individual Nostradamus referred to as ‘Mabus,’ which is an anagram in my name. As a studio publicity writer at Paramount Pictures, the only major film studio actually located in Hollywood, I worked as “a carpenter in the Hollywood dream factory.” The studio’s mountain symbol is appropriate for my having worked there, as it seems my family tree can be traced back to Moses following the Hitchcock lineage (see pages 1027 and 963). Apparently, Ken Russell (the director of “Tommy”) is another cousin.
As you will see in my book, I am quite happy living in L.A. with my ‘Angel’ whose ‘Michael’ nickname means “who is as God.” I am convinced He/They can only be The Holy Ghost.
As ‘the Christed One’ for the new millennium, I have a message of a love and proof of God’s Existence for mankind if only they are willing to hear it. Amazing claims require amazing evidence and that’s what my book offers.
Also attached are copies of the Oracle Press news release distributed by P.R. Newswire, Daily Variety advertisement and direct marketing post card. I am making the special offer on the post card available to your listeners, if you would like to share it with them.
By the way, the ‘celebrities’ of my book are not wealthy, selfish, closeted movie stars with dyed hair, facelifts/nose jobs and implants (females)/ steroids (males), they are society’s homeless and disenfranchised who go ignored by society. While I may be God’s ‘public relations man,’ it is these brave individuals who somehow find the will to survive—without the blessing of a roof over their head or a stimulating career—that are God’s true representatives on the Earth.
Sincerely,
Mark Russell Bell
Thank you so much for having me as a guest on your show. I enjoyed being a disembodied voice on your show and conversing with you and Sherri Lee Stevens. Your first name wouldn’t be Michael, by any chance?! I am providing you with a complimentary copy of Testament.
So you wondered what was going on with the rock from Mars, the face on Mars, ice on the moon, the comet Hale-Bopp, cattle mutilations, government coverups, crop circles, alien visitations, “Twin Peaks,” national debt crisis, the Simpson case and “12 Monkeys”?!?! Here is Testament, the case study of the Second Coming — a book 2,000 years in the making.
As you will see in the book’s initial interview transcript, I began work on this project after researching ‘The Bell Witch,’ the famous talking poltergeist case from the early 19th century. After reading a Fortean Times article about a similar contemporary case in Oklahoma, I contacted the family and discovered they also were named Bell! This inspired me to visit the family and embark on an odyssey into the unexplained.
As I learned more about the amassing of spirits encountered by the family, who affectionately refer to Him/Them as ‘Michael’ (as given a rather stereotyped approach on ABC’s “Ghosts, Mediums, Psychics: Put To The Test” and “20/20′), I realized that this is in fact an Angel.
In Oklahoma, I witnessed diverse supernatural phenomena and was startled when the materialization of objects around me continued upon returning to Los Angeles, where my condo is located across from the Angelus Temple. Most startling of all, my interview tapes from Oklahoma contained sounds and spirit messages that were not heard during the sessions.
I continued doing interviews and even participated in a past life regression. I found evidence that I once was an Egyptian deity named Bel-Marduk (see color photo 27 on center insert page VII) as well as the individual Nostradamus referred to as ‘Mabus,’ which is an anagram in my name. As a studio publicity writer at Paramount Pictures, the only major film studio actually located in Hollywood, I worked as “a carpenter in the Hollywood dream factory.” The studio’s mountain symbol is appropriate for my having worked there, as it seems my family tree can be traced back to Moses following the Hitchcock lineage (see pages 1027 and 963). Apparently, Ken Russell (the director of “Tommy”) is another cousin.
As you will see in my book, I am quite happy living in L.A. with my ‘Angel’ whose ‘Michael’ nickname means “who is as God.” I am convinced He/They can only be The Holy Ghost.
As ‘the Christed One’ for the new millennium, I have a message of a love and proof of God’s Existence for mankind if only they are willing to hear it. Amazing claims require amazing evidence and that’s what my book offers.
Also attached are copies of the Oracle Press news release distributed by P.R. Newswire, Daily Variety advertisement and direct marketing post card. I am making the special offer on the post card available to your listeners, if you would like to share it with them.
By the way, the ‘celebrities’ of my book are not wealthy, selfish, closeted movie stars with dyed hair, facelifts/nose jobs and implants (females)/ steroids (males), they are society’s homeless and disenfranchised who go ignored by society. While I may be God’s ‘public relations man,’ it is these brave individuals who somehow find the will to survive—without the blessing of a roof over their head or a stimulating career—that are God’s true representatives on the Earth.
Sincerely,
Mark Russell Bell
[2021 UPDATE: BARSKY'S FIRST NAME IS PAUL.]
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