JOURNAL / REPORTING — TAPE #371, SIDE #1
Q: Mark Russell Bell
A: Art Bell (portion of radio broadcast)
P: Lloyd Pye (portion of radio broadcast)
Future Trips: March 1999-Egypt, September 1999-England
Co-Sponsors: Intuition Network & Power Places Tours
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Q: So Stephan Hoeller’s got his Wednesday night course and Pierre Grimes has his Tuesday night course. He’s giving a “Buddhist Series” in this catalog and Stephan’s addressing the “Wisdom of the Gnostic Gospels: The Basic Course in the Teaching of the Gnostics (Continued).” Eric Knauss has a “Palmistry Series.” John Maxwell Taylor’s back for his 20-character one-man-play “Forever Jung.” And, of course, there’s a special event with Kevin Ryerson entitled “Channeling: A Sacred Science?” It says “Introduction by Jeffrey Mishlove, Ph.D., Slide Presentation by Shawn Shelton, Power Places Tours.” I guess this is somehow in connection with this new Power Places Tours franchise of the PRS. I guess they get free trips out of it or something. What’s really disgusting is that every week they suggest a $5 donation. Well I see one week, Manley P. Hall Day, celebrating the founder’s birthday — it says “@ $10.” Actually it doesn’t really say — (“WELL”) it says “Donation” on top so you don’t really have to pay that but I just find it a little pathetic that they’re choosing to charge more money one week — I guess it’s because they serve refreshments in the library that day and have to pay for them that way. Edgar Mitchell’s going to be the guest — that Apollo astronaut. It says, “Generous Donation Appreciated.”
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: WHEN I ATTENED THIS PRS MANLEY HALL DAY, THERE WAS A SIGN POSTED THAT SAID $10 MINIMUM DONATION. OTHER PRS $10 ATTRACTIONS FOR THE SUNDAY 11 A.M. LECTURE SERIES HAVE INCLUDED DON CAMPBELL AND JUDITH ORLOFF.)
Q: So I see on Fridays someone by the name of Cynthia Withers has a “Beginners Astrology Class.” Kay Herron teaches her “The Nature of the Soul” on Saturdays from 10 to 12 noon. There’s also “Tai Chi Chuan” taught by Alan Francis. That’s a form of Taoist yoga and internal martial art — “a peaceful method of attaining harmony of mind, body and spirit. Held in the courtyard.” It also says “News Flash — Don Campbell, Dean of Sound Healers, Saturday, April 4 and Sunday, April 5. Change Your Life With Music.” They have Saturday “The Healing Power of Music,” Sunday “The Philosophical Nature of Soul & Sound” and a workshop “The Mysteries of the Voice.” One of the people speaking in this quarter. Well I guess the PRS really is the modern-day equivalent of the old mystery schools but people still don’t really know much about love, if you ask me. I still think that love is a verb and not a noun. I even saw a book with that title at the bookstore. By the way, after that last tape side finished, we were talking a little bit about that article about secret misogyny in Russia and Laura and I agreed that it really isn’t much of a secret throughout the world now, is it?
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Q: So I didn’t do shopping for my mother today even though she must soon be needing supplies. I don’t know what she’s going to do — if she’s going to call me or she’s going to have the store deliver or what. I told her she’d have to go see the retirement hotel just to see it. I just wanted her to see what she’s missing and then I would do the shopping. She said her foot still hurts and it’s been bad for such a long time now that I don’t think it’s ever going to get better. I think it’s probably one of those diabetic problems that won’t heal.
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Q: So I’m wondering — I’m visiting Stan Deyo’s website and it’s called “Noah’s Ark” and he’s got “Noah’s Comments” dated 2 November 1997. Does he think he’s the reincarnation of Noah? Anyway, I’m going to leave him a book/website referral on his Email. I also sent one to Charles Kagel. So I didn’t share any excerpts from Lloyd Pye’s appearance on Art Bell’s show and apparently Mighael wants me to provide them because when I turned on the Saturday night show, which is a repeat — hoping they might have the portion of Hoagland’s appearance that I missed — they had a portion of Pye’s show, I believe, and then again tonight when I turned it on to check they had it again so I went ahead and recorded it and I’ll share with you some portions. A lot of the information I was already aware of and maybe that’s why I didn’t think it was integral but it does put together a lot of good information very succinctly, some of it based upon the work of others such as Ivan T. Sanderson and Zecharia Sitchin. Anyway, it is good research so here are some excerpts from this appearance by Lloyd Pye on “Coast to Coast AM.”
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A: And he has written a book called Everything You Know Is Wrong. (laughs) All about human evolution . . . (Pye) graduated from I guess it’s Amite High School in Amite, Louisiana. Am I getting that name wrong?
P: Actually, you are. It’s called Amite (pronounced Ameet).
P: Close enough.
A: Figures. Alright — went on to college at Tulane. You were a punter and a running back. Any comments on the game last night?
P: Which one?
A: Oh Green Bay.
P: Oh. (laughs) No, that’s okay. I don’t want to cause trouble right away. I think it was a great game. Let it go at that.
A: Really? Intriguing. Alright. And then you got a B.S. in psychology.
A: And then somehow you went into the military and got involved in intelligence work.
A: There really is military intelligence.
P: No, there is not.
P: I experienced it. There is not. Of course, now I’m already in trouble.
A: Well that’s alright. This is the very home of trouble. Lloyd, don’t let it bother you.
A: Then somehow you got involved — how did you — you began to study Zecharia Sitchin?
P: Actually I didn’t find him until about 1990, unfortunately. I was, like everyone else, trying to make a living and he’s not nearly as well-known as he should be, I think, for a number of reasons. But, for whatever reason, I was looking in the wrong places and didn’t find him until 1990. But I had done so much research to that point on hominoids that as soon as I found him I knew that I was going to be able to construct a new theory of evolution based on my own work — my own extensive work in hominoids and his work in ancient Sumeria.
A: A hominoid is?
P: Hominoids are the creatures and the upright hair-covered primates that people see all around the world on a regular basis. Bigfoot/Sasquatch — we’re all familiar with here. The Abominable Snowman/Yeti in the Himalayas. And there are two other kinds that are dominant in other parts of the world that we’re not as familiar with in the west but which are equally prevalent in their areas.
A: Different names, same creature?
P: No. Different creatures. There are four fundamentally different hominoid creatures out there. The Bigfoot/Sasquatch is a giant seven to ten feet tall, weighing 700 to 1000 pounds. The Abominable Snowman is called man-size but they’re basically six to seven feet tall. They weigh 300 to 600 pounds but they’re very primitive as these creatures go. They’re by far the most primitive and their range is restricted to the Himalayas, which is as big as the United States so they have plenty of room to roam in. The other three are able to move about a lot better and they do. The third kind is called Almas because they dominate in the mountains of Southern Russia, the Pamirs and the Caucasus and that’s what they’re called in that area but they exist in other parts of the world as well. The Almas and the Bigfoot/Sasquatch-type, the giant kind — both live in very heavy montane forests, the deepest, densest forest that we have on the planet. That’s where they tend to live.
A: Do you consider there to be enough evidence of the existence of these creatures to be talking of them as you are? As though they are a proven fact?
P: Well the evidence is really overwhelming actually if you dig down into it. When they were first being discovered in the early ’50s through into the middle ’60s, let’s say, they were taken pretty seriously. The study was done by some anthropologists, zoologists — Ivan Sanderson being probably the most prominent of that group. But during that time, stories would be written that were in mainstream media of that time — books, magazines. It would be equal to, say, Playboy today. They have stories in Time, Newsweek, Life. They were taken seriously. And then when scientists began to be put on the hot seat, more or less, in being required to explain what these things were and how they could be out there and how they fit into the scheme of things, they began to be shuffled more and more off into the tabloids where they have languished ever since. But, yes, the evidence, is overwhelming to anyone who looks at it with even a remotely open mind. I mean we can go over some of it during the course of our talk but there’s really no doubt in my mind and I think no doubt in the mind of anyone who reads, well, just part three of my book will do it. But if you do any serious research into this subject, there’s absolutely no question that they’re out there, they have been there, that they are in fact the native indigenous upright walking primate on the planet Earth.
A: Let us go back now to the beginning and, when I say that, I mean quite literally in our discussion.
A: It serves me up a little list of questions that I should ask you here and one is very, very good. What is wrong with creationism? Darwinism? In other words, you apparently have arguments against both of these —
P: Well actually not —
A: I’m almost afraid to use — theories? What would you call them?
P: Well they’re theories, of course, and I don’t just have —
A: Now you’re in trouble.
P: — arguments against them. They have arguments against each other. As you know, they go and have been going nose to nose and toe to toe for a very long time now and I think that the fact that they’re both able to shoot such gaping holes in each other is a strong indication that they’re both fundamentally flawed. I think if either one of them was absolutely correct, it would be like one of them would be more or less like Einstein’s theory of relativity where there’s just absolutely no question, no challenge. No one argues the point. The fact that creationists — if you’ve ever read creationists’ literature, you’d be surprised at how good some of it is. Now not all of it, of course, but some of it —
A: Oh I know.
P: — particularly attacking the Darwinian paradigm is very good. And it makes a lot of sense in a — I personally believe a lot of what they have to say. Especially as it deals with macroevolution versus microevolution, which we can discuss in more detail. Now as far as what the Darwinists can do to the creationists in terms of the timeline of Earth, they just more or less flatten them because the creationists — so many of them are stuck on that six days’ creation six thousand years ago and really all you have to do is look at the Grand Canyon or know that the peak of Mt. Everest is marine limestone to know that the Earth is vastly older than six thousand years ago. So the fact that they’re able to shoot such holes in each other leaves, I think, an opening for a third alternative and that’s what I’ve tried to (“YOU KNOW”) provide and I believe that I am.
A: Well let’s say it. What are the major problems — you’ve mentioned a couple with creationism.
P: Well with creationism it’s just the fact that what —
A: The hard science — (“THE HARD”)
P: Yeah, the hard science answers that they have to the idea of six — you know, that the whole, entire universe would be formed whole and intact within six days, no changes, no addendums. It’s obvious that that’s not exactly what happened and, as far as six thousand years ago, that is not what it says in the Bible but Bishop James Usher in the 17th Century calculated the who-begat-whos in the Bible and came up with a — so and so begat so and so who lived for so many years. (“SO”)
A: If you add up all the begattans, you get to a certain number of years.
P: Yeah and ironically the six thousand year anniversary was this past October so that has come to be taken literally as gospel even though it was written by a man — calculated by one guy in the 17th Century. So that, again for the reason that I just quoted, is pretty easy, I think, to knock a hole in or knock down. I don’t think it’s arguable.
A: Well you know you’d get lots of argument about it but for the sake of this one let’s say, “Okay, fine.”
A: Let’s move to Darwinism. Now Darwinism is pretty much supported by hard science. The process of evolution.
P: Well, you know, they tell us that and it’s very easy to just listen to the din and the drum of it and just come to shrug your shoulders and say, “Oh yeah well I guess they’re right because there are so many of them saying it” but —
A: Well where are the holes?
P: The problem with it is this. There are two words you need to understand. Microevolution and macroevolution.
A: Okay, define them for us.
P: Alright. Microevolution is what Darwin actually found in the Galapagos. Now it’s this — he noticed that on the different islands that he visited, in several of the animals but two in particular — in finches which have come to be known as Darwin’s Finches and in the giant tortoises that you see. He noticed that the finches that lived on the different islands had adapted themselves to eating different foods that were dominant on the islands. They would eat fruits. They would eat insects. They would eat seeds. And their beaks had been altered to accommodate that diet — longer, thinner, shorter, fatter, really heavy for the seeds. Now they’re still finches. They’re still fundamentally the same finch that flew out from South America however many million years ago—two or three million years ago—and founded the line of finches that became Darwin’s Finches. But the beak changes were so noticeable that it gave him the idea. And then he noticed with the tortoises that there were two fundamental kinds: those that browsed on bushes that grew close to the ground had shells that came down the way normal turtles do and met close to the bottom shell; the tortoises that browsed on bushes that grew up (“YOU KNOW”) a couple feet—three or feet in the air—they had these big notches in the front of their shells so that their neck could rise up. And he looked at that and he said now wait a minute. We’re —