TELEPHONE INTERVIEW / JOURNAL —
TAPE #23, SIDE #2
Q: Mark Russell Bell
H: Helen Langdon (reporter at the Coalgate Record-Register)
Q: Okay. So now tell me what you were saying.
H: Jesus will be coming back and he will reign again. And those that believe in him will come back with him and reign with him. At that time the Devil will be cast into the lake of fire. He will be bound for a thousand years. And at the end of this thousand years he will be turned loose to reign for a short period of time again. And those that are kind of mid-riders —
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: UNATTRIBUTED HEARTBEAT SOUND CONCLUDES ON THE TAPE HERE.)
H: — there’ll be some that will fall away and some that won’t. And then when he leaves the next time — when the Lord gets rid of him the next time, he’ll be in the lake of fire and he’ll never be heard of again. (“BUT — BUT CAN’T”)
Q: So you don’t interpret this on a metaphorical level. You think this is literally going to happen.
H: Yes, I do. I believe it very much. If you’ll write — read Revelation, you will see that every book of the Bible has been fulfilled. We’re living in the last days now. (“RIGHT”)
Q: But isn’t the archangel Michael supposed to do battle with Satan?
H: There will be battle and there’s a daily battle. As far as that goes.
Q: Oh, I’m sure of that. (“CORRECT”)
H: And this is going to be the final battle. This will be the tribulation.
Q: Do you think Michael, the family’s Entity, could be Satan?
H: I don’t think he’s Satan, though.
Q: You don’t. Just a demon?
H: No, I think he is demonic. The Bible speaks of all the demons that work for Satan. There are many, many, many demons. Do you remember in the Bible where the man that was possessed — (“YEAH”)
H: — was Legion — which is many, many (“INSURANCE AGENT”) Devils, many Satans or whatever you want to say. Those demons were cast into a herd of swine. Remember that? They’re still out there.
Q: Well, I don’t know —
H: They’re still out there. There are many, many demons still out there that work —
Q: Yeah. (“WELL WELL”)
H: — just as well as you do because you see angels.
Q: The book I recommended to you deals with that as well — Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography by John Dominic Crossan. Anyway, read that and call me if you would like to discuss it or give me any updates.
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Q: (speaking into tape recorder) It’s Saturday. I woke up at around 5:45 a.m. and Jonathan, my attorney, came by last night to see my new computer. He helped me connect the loudspeakers because he’s a ‘techie’ and then something unusual happened. He was using the voice controls and—for some reason, maybe because the stereo was on but maybe not—the game entitled Descent came on. And I joked, “Well, I’m glad you’re playing and not me.” Anyway, I didn’t get a lot of phone calls yesterday. I guess everyone (“NO”) sort of freaked about the show. Like Michael, my brother, didn’t call and he usually calls from his car phone or something. I called Marie even and she didn’t even watch the show which was rather surprising. I wonder if Fiona did.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: FIONA DIDN’T WATCH OR TAPE THE PROGRAM EITHER SO I EVENTUALLY LOANED HER AND MARIE THE CASSETTE.)
Q: Anyway, the only calls I received was from High-Q 30 Min. Photo & Studio on Hyperion, where I took my photos of the Ark of the Covenant to send to Sotheby’s which I plan on doing today. I even showed them the photos of the Ark and told them a little bit about it. Wouldn’t you? And Jonathan called me. Oh — and Michael did something very sweet last night. (“I AM”) When I got into bed I realized He had made my bed so I think that’s a good answer to anyone who would suggest Him to be a demon. I mean how many demons do you know that make people’s beds? So, anyway, I guess in all honesty I have to mention one other anecdote real quick. When I left my hypnotherapy session, I was sexually approached by somebody — a man running down the street with his shirt off and everything. (“BUT HE LOOKED VERY GOOD”) He sort of gave me a look. I wasn’t interested, obviously. I mean I don’t know him or — I don’t know what — I don’t know — you know — I don’t know anything. But I was wondering could Michael be working through this guy’s subconscious mind and offering him as a sex partner to me? It’s an interesting thought. Like when I was talking to the journalist earlier and she said Jesus “was sent here to see what the temptations of man were.” So that incident would tie-in with that, I guess, but (“SOME”) that’s not something I’m really prepared to do. I mean I still think — I don’t know — love is so important to me and I don’t want to cheat on — it’s not even the right word. I don’t even know how to explain it. I think that explains it. So, anyway, when the game came on. Descent. And we played a little bit of it. I chose the name Bel for the character. I began thinking of various myths and legends and how they all fit in so neatly with that earliest story of Bel-Marduk so I thought I would just read a few brief passages from some of the books I happen to have. The first one I’ll start with is Mythology, a Chambers encyclopedic guide edited by Fernand Comte. It explains basically Marduk the Babylonian god is known as ‘the sovereign.’ “The child of a new generation of gods, Marduk became ruler of the universe at the same time as he became its champion.” I think Zecharia Sitchin explains it better than this does so I’ll check Ra real quick and see if there’s anything interesting there. Whoops. I just noticed Saturn, the Roman god, (“NO”) and that’s sort of interesting. Remember that awful painting of “the awful Saturn devouring his children to safeguard his power”? That’s a very scary thought and I see here — it mentions Cronos who “was the son of Uranus (Heaven) and of Gaea (Earth), and the brother of the Uranian Cyclopes and of the Hecatonchires. Gaea, exhausted by the numerous pregnancies inflicted upon her by her husband, requested her children to free her from this burden. All of them declined to accept responsibility, except her youngest, Cronos. He took the sickle given to him by his mother, caught his father unawares and cut off his testicles. He then threw them into the sea, deposed Uranus and ascended the throne. He had as his wife his sister, Rhea, and was the father of Hestia, Demeter, Hera, Hades, Poseidon and Zeus. He, in turn, was to be dethroned by Zeus.” Gee, all these (“YOU KNOW”) gods act sort of like all the characters in all those Shakespeare plays. But — it says “Very little is known about Saturn” and “He has been likened to Cronos, the father of Jupiter (Zeus). He was supposed to have ousted his father from the throne and to have been likewise ousted by his own son. . . . Strangely, the planet Saturn, in contrast to the god Saturn, represented evil for astrologers. But perhaps this seeming contradiction points in actual fact to a similarity. If Saturn symbolized uprootings and partings, the trials of life and its necessary sacrifices, it was because he was entrusted with the task of freeing man from the limitations of his animal nature, from his instincts and his passions, and also from the constraints of his social life. Saturn symbolized freedom.” I have another book here entitled Myths and Modern Man, a paperback that (“AND”) provides “a new look at ancient myths.” It was written by Barbara Stanford with Gene Stanford. Let me quick look up — (“A MEMBER”) one of the things that really intrigued me — (“WAS JUST”) the way they wrote about Theseus. I won’t repeat the whole story but they have a wonderful picture of the maze and the Minotaur. It says underneath the picture, “What is the monster, half man, half beast that waits to destroy the hero? Is it perhaps the animal within his own nature?” A few pages later, it says, “What is the monster, half man, half beast, which irresistibly draws each of us into his presence where we behold him with a mixture of delight and horror?” And there’s all kinds of interesting accounts in this book. For example, when Perseus is discussed it says, “Every man’s birth is a miracle. The child set adrift or abandoned is a familiar theme in mythology. Moses, Cyrus the Great, Oedipus, King Arthur, Perseus, Theseus and Krishna were all sent away as infants and grew up in a strange land. (“NO”) Are these myths an attempt to invent a kingly lineage for a man who deserves it?” (“NO”) “Or do they reflect the universal wish that each of us may someday lift the stone and be proclaimed the child of a king?” Hmmm — mmmm. And let’s see. I’m just seeing if anything will catch my eye. I guess Odysseus would be interesting to read but (“YOU KNOW”) not at the moment. Anyway, let me put this down and go to Zecharia Sitchin’s books. Of course, I mentioned that interesting reference to Bel-Marduk in The Wars of Gods and Men. So that book’s a very full account which really helps to find comparisons between Bel-Marduk and all of the other resurrection stories throughout history. But let me go to his second book in his popular series, The Stairway to Heaven. It seems like in all of his books whenever Marduk is mentioned there are all kinds of interesting things. I see here one of the mentions of Marduk is on page 113. I’ll just look at the top of page 112 and see what hits my eye. It says:
The deliberations of the gods in the era following the Deluge are mentioned in various Sumerian texts. The one called the Epic of Etana states:
(“POW”) Q: That’s just a sampling. There’s just so much information in these books. Let me go to The Lost Realms, which is the fourth book of Sitchin’s series The Earth Chronicles I look up Marduk in the back and I see on page — let me first go to page 89, the first mention of him in this book. I’ll just read from the top and hopefully it will all figure in.
Q: And the later one, I might add. This page continues:
Q: So let me real quick go to another page that has Marduk on it, 43 to 44. I haven’t stopped the tape recorder once and this is totally ad-libbed. I’ll just start reading somewhere.
The Hebrews followed suit but, preaching monotheism and recognizing—based on Sumerian scientific knowledge—the universality of God, ingeniously solved the problem of duality and of the multitude of Anunnaki deities involved in the events on Earth by concocting a Singular-yet- plural entity, not an El (the Hebrew equivalent of Ilu) but Elohim—a Creator who is plural (literally ‘Gods’) and yet One. This departure from the Babylonian and Assyrian religious viewpoint can be explained only by a realization that the Hebrews were aware that the deity who could speak to Abraham and Moses and the celestial Lord when the Sumerians called Nibiru were not one and the same scientifically, although all were part of a universal, everlasting, and omnipresent God—Elohim—in whose grand design for the universe the path of each planet is its predetermined “destiny,” and what the Anunnaki had done on Earth was likewise a predetermined mission. Thus was the handiwork of a universal God manifest in Heaven and on Earth.”