RADIO CALL — TAPE #746 EXCERPT
Q: Mark Russell Bell
M: Mr. KABC, host of “Ask Mr. KABC” radio show in Los Angeles
R: Rob Marinko, KABC newscaster
A: 790 KABC recorded announcer
J: Dr. Joseph Allevato, news byte
G: Gil Fox, ABC newscaster
D: David Hess, news byte
I: Jim McGovern, news byte
C: Jackie Judd, ABC reporter
(X): unattributed sounds
(Other callers identified by their number in sequence heard.)
M: . . . (gives number) your toll-free number to dial if you'd like to take part in "Ask Mr. KABC."
How does the sun keep burning bright? Where does my shadow go at night? What is E equals MC squared? And why (X) does rap music make me scared? Where's a place to buy good clothes? Why are these hairs inside my nose? Is a cornea a gem? What makes the (X) clock spring twelve a.m.? Ask Mr. KABC. KABC — he'll answer humbly at our mystery. Mr. KABC. Mr. KABC. (X) He knows the where, why, when and what will be.
M: Eight minutes (X) after ten o'clock on Talk Radio 790 KABC. You found Mr. KABC conveniently located inside your radio. As I am every weeknight from 10 p.m. (X) til 1 a.m. Please make more than (X) just a mental note that (X) you listen. (X) And we'll have the three quiz questions next hour: 11:30, our half-way point. Find the answers right after the 11:30 news and, of course, next hour Dr. Krupp from the Griffith Observatory, the director of the Griffith Observatory. The good Dr. Krupp, (X) as we like to refer to him, will be here to answer your basic questions about astronomy. There has been a lot of nonsense. I'm hearing (X X) a lot of Chicken Littles. A lot of people think the (X) sky is falling and we'll help you separate fact from fiction (X) next hour with Dr. Krupp. And — and what else do I need to tell you? I'll take your phone calls now. (gives number) Hi, you're on with Mr. KABC. Good evening.
1: Hi, I think you're talking to me? (X)
M: I am.
1: Hi. I had a question for you. I guess that's why it's called "Ask Mr. KABC."
M: That's exactly right, sir.
1: Do you have to be a judge — I mean do you have to be a lawyer to be a judge?
M: No. (X) But most are. And most — but there are some places where judges are elected and the re(X)quirement to have gone to law school is not a requirement. (X X)
1: Thank you very much. (X)
M: Thanks for your call. Appreciate it. Hi, welcome. You're on with Mr. KABC.
Q: Hello, Mr. KABC?
M: Yeah — I should say much less — not only do you not have to be a lawyer, you don't even have to have gone to law school. But appointed judges (X) usually like especially (X) at the federal level they're all at(X)torneys and have almost (X) uniformly served (X) on lower courts and therefore, (X) you know, when you go through the vetting (X) process (X) through Congress after the President appoints you, (X) almost always here the first thing they want to know is — (X) is your legal background. (X) And that is a reason why some people — because — because their legal background is questionable, that is a reason why (X) Congress will sometimes go after somebody for not being (X X) qualified to serve on a federal bench. Alright, you're on the air. Hello.
Q: Hi, Mr. KABC.
M: Hi. (X) Yes, sir.
Q: I also want to — (X) I'm following up my (X) appeal with the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board ("WHICH") happened on Wednesday — my hearing. And so the department determination (X) was "reversed (X) within the meaning of section 1257B" —
M: Alright, we've got to remind (X) people what your —
M: — story was. You called me a few weeks ago and (X) told me a story about —
Q: I had a conscientious ob(X)jection. I mean (X) I didn't know that that w(as) — that was the term at the time.
M: You had been unemployed and you went (X X) to the Unemployment Development office to get your unemployment check and —
Q: Well they mail it but —
M: Okay. And you were offered (X) a j(ob) — a temporary job (X) with a military subcontractor, a defense contractor.
Q: Right. (X)
M: And you said, "I have (X) — on moral grounds, I refuse to work for a military subcontractor."
Q: Right. A(nd) —
M: A(nd) and — go ahead.
Q: Yeah, at the time ("TH") they basically (X) on the form, ("YOU" X) if you turn down work you have to indicate (X) that and then they (X) call you and interview you.
Q: So (X) I explained my position and I didn't really — ("I") wasn't really knowledge(X)able about (X) the (X) guidelines and what-have-you. (X)
M: Right. ("SO")
Q: When I called you, (X) you — (X) my thoughts at the time were that I wouldn't change my position based on what arguments ("WOULD" X) would work, (X) yet I didn't realize that the judge himself doesn't really have the (X) guidelines memorized. (X) And in my case, (X) the exact same position had been dealt with by the Supreme Court. And I did find it at the website.
M: Okay. And so you prevailed.
Q: Right. (X X "HE") He asked me — at one point he said to me — he said, (X) "Do you belong (X) to a certain (X) spiritual group?" (X) And so I was able to say that (X) there was a Supreme (X) Court case — I think it was Frazee V. Illinois Department of (X) Employment (X) and the convictions of those with religious — would not (X) — if they (X) weren't members of an established sect, ("THEY") they still could have very definite beliefs.
M: Uh-huh. (X)
Q: So I don't know — I don't think he was familiar with that at the (X) time but he did ask for that (X) page, which I had.
M: Okay. Yeah, that's right. You did the right thing. You (X) cited him the law and so (X) you prevailed and you're continuing to receive unem(X)ployment and I assume other job offers.
Q: Right. And that's sort of a (X) quandary there. But what I thought was interesting —
M: Why is that a quandary?
Q: Well I'll go into that (X) in a moment. But what I thought was interesting when I called you is that you were on the whole mind-set of what other (X) cases there had been (X) because I was on a whole different mind-set but you were exactly right. ("SO") You were sort of psychic, (X) sort of a — (X) you were sort of a channel of blessings for me.
M: Well no, it's not — not a psychic. I just understand how government works and government works, especially in cases like that, they need case law. They need something to say, "I can do this because someone else did this before." There has to be a (X) precedent set and I — (X) I assumed it's not a unique (X) situation that someone would refuse a job for — (X) for instance, if you're a Catholic and you're asked to go work in an abortion clinic. I mean it's just — it's the — your — it's a moral opposition and you would say, "No, I'm not going to do that." And ("THERE") there's got to be some protection (X) for people who — (X) who refuse work based on a moral objection. And I knew if you did the legwork, you'd find it.
Q: Right. (X) So, anyway, so they had (X) penalized me with (X) five weeks (X) without benefits. (X) During that (X) time I did work (X) a couple temp assignments (X) so it doesn't really change anything. (X) I just wanted to find out what the ruling would be because —
Q: — ("OF COURSE I'LL") I'm sure this position will come up again.
M: I'll bet this is a good education, a good learning experience for you too: how to look up stuff and (X) how to find —
Q: Okay but help me today — today my (X) — my agency called me. (X) And she said that she had a temp position which (X) could become a temp-to-perm job. ("AND") It was for a perfume (X) company, which I think is very — (X) very frivolous. I mean I — (X) I think most perfume (X) just stinks. I mean it gives me a headache.
Q: What? (X "BB") I mean it's —
M: Yeah. You don't really want to work is what it comes down to.
Q: Well no, it isn't that. I mean she knows —
Q: — she knows my rule (X) about non-shareholder companies.
M: Oh — (X) oh jeeze.
Q: But I mean this is — (X) because, you know, I do have some (X) different potentials. (X)
Q: For example, I had tested with (X) the School Board and I (X) did very high on their (X) grammar test which they make you (X) take. (X)
Q: So that might work out (X) in — you know, come the fall.
Q: But —
M: You don't want to work for a perfume company because you find perfume morally objectionable?
Q: No, well I don't mind (X) as long as it's a non-(X)shareholder (X) company and it's not (X) permanent. I mean she (X) said it (X) could become temp-to-perm and, you know, that — ("I'M") you know when I go to the interview . . .
M: What's wrong with shareholder companies? I mean you know, most — (X) I bet the (X) car that you drive was built by a shareholder company.
Q: Well ("F") you're probably right . . . (X)
M: Don't you have a moral objection to (X) driving a (X) car that was built by — (X "O") again, I, this is curious to me. Do you own a mutual fund or any stock? (X)
M: You don't own any stock? Any company?
Q: No. I had once (X) upon a (X) time.
M: Uh-huh. (X)
Q: And I mean, in (X) fact, it (X) upsets me that I even have a bank — I do have a Visa card.
M: (small laugh)
Q: But if you really look at —
M: You know Visa's owned by shareholders. (X)
Q: I know. But if you look at our society, you really (X) do need (X) these things (X) just to get by day-to-day and — (X)
M: Well that's not a bad thing.
Q: Well ("I") no, I know. I understand it and I do think there is trouble ahead for the banks but —
M: Based on what?
Q: Well based on everything that's been happening.
M: What do you mean? What 'everything has been happening' makes you think the banks are in trouble?
Q: Well I don't know. You hear a lot of rumors especially if you listen to talk radio, you hear a lot of —
M: Well you hear a lot of kooky things being said.
Q: Well look how much money Citibank —
M: "The sky is falling." But that doesn't mean it is.
Q: Well look how (X) much money Citibank (X) lost in Argen(X)tina alone. (X)
M: And Bank of America lost billions of dollars in Mexico. (X) So what? I mean it's — that's the — (X) companies — banks (X) take risks. Sometimes those risks are to the benefit, some to the detriment of the company. Overall, they — (X) they assess those risks (X) and they assign value to it. (X)
Q: Well what I (X) think (X) we're seeing —
M: If every investment (X) paid off, then it's not an investment, it's a (X) — it's government. I mean I — how often does it — you know, you'd be an (X) alchemist if you could (X) turn everything to gold.
Q: That's right but (X) what I ("I")— most people don't understand that (X) spiritual awareness is the real gold and not —
M: Uh-huh. (Or "UH-HUH") Alright well —
Q: — ("THE ME[T]") the metal.
M: — I — not in America.
Q: Well I — and that's (X) the (X) problem. And that's why we have all . . .
M: Well no, it's not a problem. It's how we all (X) put food on our (X) tables. It's not — (X) you know you can (X) pray for food or you can go out and — go out and grow it. (X) Personally, I think you're more likely to have food on your table if you go out and grow it than praying for it.
Q: Have you ever thought about every government becoming an oligarchy (X) without (X) spiritual awareness? (X) I mean the differences (X) between (X) communism, let's say, (X) and (X) capitalism really aren't that (X) significant when you get down to it because . . .
M: No, they are significantly different.
Q: Yes, (X) but the (X) people in —
M: In terms of economic systems, they're significantly different.
Q: Yes, (X) but (X) the people who are in control and running (X) things do get — ("YOU KNOW") they have (X) — they're not treated like everyone (X) else. (X) And I think that, you know, with true spiritual awareness, that wouldn't be the case.
M: Well isn't that the reason why people go out and make money? So that they don't have to be treated like everybody else? I mean I want to be treated better than everybody else. That's why I work really hard.
Q: Well yes but I mean I don't think it's a sin (X) to eat (X) but I do think — as I — I might have mentioned this before —
M: Is it a sin to drive (X) a Mercedes? (X)
Q: Well — (X "WELL IT'S A") I think — I think so because you're spending extra (X) money that could go to people who are starving to death.
M: Well wait a minute. Wait a minute. What about the people who built the Mercedes? Don't you think without Mercedes they might be the ones starving? (X) I mean the idea that when you buy a Mercedes it only goes to rich people is not true. (X) People who build Mercedes automobiles — (X) it happens to be that they're in Smyrna, Georgia (X) that we — that there's a Mercedes Benz plant and, you know, those people without the (X) Mercedes Benz plant (X) were either unemployed or underemployed or worked for companies didn't pay as well. It's (X) not — it's not, you know, German —
Q: Well there —
M: — aristocracy building Mercedes.
Q: Well there's — but there's many, many — it's a — it's a very, very big dilemma at the (X) moment because —
M: There's no dilemma at all.
Q: There's different — yes, but ("THERE") there are (X) different (X) alternative sources of energy other than gasoline.
M: Well that's fine but that's not the question I asked you. I didn't ask you whether or not there is a future in (X) hydrogen-powered automobiles. I said, "Is it a sin to buy a Mercedes?" And you said, "Well, you know, that money —
Q: I think it is.
M: That money could be going to something else." Well every (X) dollar that's spent buying a Mercedes was spent to employ someone who either employed someone or spent that money somewhere where other people employed people.
Q: Well you were asking —
M: That's how our economy goes around. It's, you know, this is the same argument — and it sort of brings us to Dr. Krupp who's coming on after the news at eleven. There was a question that was asked of James (he meant Daniel) Goldin, the guy that runs NASA or used to run NASA—he recently resigned—(X) and he said, "Do you think (X) that the billions of dollars that are spent on space would be better spent here on Earth?" And he said, "We've never spent a dollar in space. (X) Every dollar that's been spent by the government for NASA projects has been spent on Earth." (X) Every — you know that they hired engineers and metal workers and all the other people that are involved in (X) putting a — (X) putting a rocket into space. (X) All that money goes back on Earth. ("DIDN'T") It didn't (X) evaporate into space.
Q: Well I've — I've sent E(mail) —
M: And those people had families and they put food on their tables and they hired — (X) and the, you know, the supermarket that provided them with the food that they could buy; (X) provided jobs for farmers who grew the food who, you know — I mean that's how the world goes around. It's not — it's not (X) a fixed system where, you know, only the rich keep the rich richer.
Q: Well I know. That's why it's a very, very complex — (X) there are many different inter-related (X) circumstances. And I think God does do (X) a good job (X) in doing the best He can (X) with what He has to work with, providing for as many people as He can under these circumstances. But (X) under the (X) capitalistic (X) framework, (X) you do have a lot of this competition ("THAT YOU") that you don't really need to have. (X)
Q: The comp(etition) — you know, all these (X) different (X) car companies and what-have-you (X) doing all the —
M: You think we should have only one car company?
Q: Well doesn't that — that would be the most (X) efficient.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I NEVER MADE IT CLEAR THAT ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS WERE THE BASIS OF MANY OF MY STATEMENTS. SOME ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES ARE EXPLORED IN TAPE #208, SIDE #2.)
M: No, that would be the least efficient. The most efficient is when (X) car companies compete to drive prices down to keep more people employed (X) and to keep more people having the ability to buy less expensive cars. If there were only one car company, cars would be more expensive, not less expensive. (X) More money would be wasted in a big company than in lots of little companies.
Q: Well that's still — (X "TH" X) you're still looking at (it) on a (X) capitalistic (X) setting. I'm looking — (X)
M: Well that's the world we live in.
Q: Well our world does seem to be going (X) toward a one world government.
M: It does?
Q: And once — (X) yeah, oh definitely.
M: Oh. Well where is the one world —
Q: With all the (X) — all the different corporations merging.
M: Where is the one world (X) — where is the one world government going to be headquartered? I'd like to know.
Q: Well some people already think it's with, you know, the billionaires like the Rocke(X)fellers and the Roths(X)childs (X) and — (X) I mean there's a lot of people who think that they control (X) the government and the military (X) now.
M: Well there's a lot of people that have all kinds of kooky beliefs about the Bilderbergers and the Council on Foreign Relations and the (X) Trilateral Commission. ("BUT") Guess what? It's not true. (X) I mean those organizations exist and yes, they may be populated by wealthy people but — (X) but are they pulling the strings? Are they giving George Bush his marching orders? Do they tell Saddam Hussein (X) what price to sell oil for on the world market? Come on.
Q: I've heard many people comment that it looks as if George is just reciting what he hears in his earphone during some of his conferences.
M: And you think who's — who's speaking to (X) him in his ear?
Q: Well I mean he has aides and what-have-you. (X)
M: And they're told to do — well I mean (X) if that's the case do you think that the previous President had the same people talking to him in his ear? Did —
Q: Oh come on —
M: Did Bill Clinton and George Bush — did they both have the same guys speaking in their ears. ("NN")
Q: Well they have different people but . . .
M: Different people but representing the same interests, the same Rockefellers and the same Rothschilds?
Q: Well they do have a lot of media control (X) and when you look at things like the Monica Lewinsky affair, I mean I never did buy that. I mean she did have connections (X) with that whole —
M: What? (X)
Q: Oh yeah. No, there are some people who think that she was an operative. (X)
M: Of whose? ("OF")
Q: What do you mean? Of — she was an agent.
M: Wh(o) (or "WH[O]") — an agent of what? (X) The CIA? The Trilateral Commission? Who was she an agent of? By the way, you know this is (X) laughable? (X) People who know — who knew Monica Lewinsky —
Q: Well see —
M: — here in Los Angeles and know her father as a doctor, the idea that she was an agent — well if she was an agent, she was a pretty poor choice.
Q: She might not even have been aware of it but at the time there was the whole Clinton Hit List going around —
M: She was an unwitting agent.
Q: — the Internet and rather than — take, you know, attention from that, ("THEY") they really made you concentrate on this whole Monica Lewinsky business.
M: Alright. Alright, sir. Well I'm — I — so you do or do not have a job? That's the
bottom line. (X)
Q: Well I'm unemployed at the moment.
M: Uh-huh. (small laugh)
Q: And we'll see what happens. (X)
M: Alright. So what — I mean ultimately you'd like to work for what? A candle store that's owned by, you know, a mom and pop operation? I mean would that not be morally objectionable to you?
Q: Well I found some of the non-profits are pretty corporate so I'm looking at the education field.
M: Non-profits are pretty corporate. So you mean like working for the Sierra Club, that's too corporate for you?
Q: No, I would love to work for the (X) Sierra (X) Club.
M: Oh — have you tried?
Q: And if there are any (X) cover-ups, I'll be glad to expose them.
M: Have you — (small laugh) have you tried to get a job at the Sierra Club? (X)
Q: I don't know if there's anything in the area. I mean the job openings that have come along, I have applied to.
M: Uh-huh. (X)
Q: And sometimes you don't even know what you're (X) applying for because the job listing doesn't really say what the name of the non-profit is and so you wait to get the return phone call.
M: Right. Would you work for like the Lung Association or the (X) — the Cancer Society? Would you work for them?
Q: Well I think chemotherapy is a joke.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: A GOOD WEBSITE OFFERING AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROBLEMS WITH RADIATION AND CHEMOTHERAPY IS http://www.drday.com.)
M: (small laugh) Alright, sir. I appreciate your call. Good luck on getting that job.
Q: Okay. Thank you.
M: Alright. Thanks. Bye-bye. 10:25 on Talk Radio 790 KABC. It's Mr. KABC with more of your phone calls right after we check the latest traffic.
R: (small laugh) I don't know if I want to do traffic because, you know, you've got all those cars and they pollute and —
M: Yeah, well it's not that —
R: — they're run by these big capitalists.
M: Yeah. It's the — you know, it's the Rockefellers.
R: Hey, you know, you must've smiled when he said that he did real well on the LAUSD test.
R: Because I'm thinking he's perfect. (X)
M: Well he seems like a very literate guy. He's just (X) got a lot —
R: Oh yeah.
M: — of conspiracies going on in his head that —
R: Well LAUSD or Berkeley I think (X) would be the perfect places for him, where he could —
M: Well, you know, Berkeley's too corporate. I don't know if you know that.
M: They're run — Berkeley — that's like — you know who runs them.
R: Oh man. (X) Alright. (X) Traffic-wise, KABC traffic alert in Palms for the 10 eastbound past Robertson . . . On the KABC (X) traffic watch, I'm Rob Marinko, Talk Radio 790 KABC.
A: 790 KABC.
M: With Mr. KABC. Your phone calls til 1 a.m. (X) At (gives number) and we'll get to more of your phone calls right after we check the latest news with local news first at 10:30, Rob Marinko in the KABC News Center.
R: Thank you, Mr. K. Dozens of demonstrators protested today outside one of the many cash-strapped L.A. County health (X) clinics that may soon have to close. (X) Dr. Joseph (X) Allevato works at the Bell Gardens Health Center. He says closing the clinics (X) will not save the county any money.
J: Hospitalizations and more expensive treatments will be needed (X) eventually. And I think this will end up costing more to the county than it does now. Keeping people healthy and keeping people out of the hospital (X) saves (X) the (X) system money. (X)
R: Allevato says, "What will suffer is (X) people's health." (X) A wildfire has now burned more than 58,000 acres in and around the Sequoia National Forest. (X) But a U.S. Forest Service spokeswoman says (X) firefighters have now managed to keep the flames (X) from reaching the ancient giant Sequoia groves. They've been working at that for a couple of days. (X) The McNally fire is about ten percent contained. Most major airlines appear to be reducing their fares, especially for the holidays in an effort to jumpstart sales this fall. (X) Travel expert Tom Parsons of (X) bestfares.com says this is the earliest he's seen fare specials for Thanksgiving, (X) Christmas and New Year's travel. (X X) KABC news time 10:31. KABC 7 forecast . . . On the KABC traffic watch . . . Local and national headlines every 30 minutes. When news breaks out, we'll break in. (X) I'm Rob Marinko (X) on Talk Radio 790 KABC. The more you listen, the more you know. (promos and commercials)
A: Talk Radio 790 KABC.
M: With Mr. KABC and your phone calls til 1 a.m. (gives number) Three quiz questions next hour (X) along with the good Dr. Krupp from the Griffith Observatory, the director there, will answer your questions about basic astronomy. And a lot of stuff's been happening lately and (X) he'll help you make sense of it. That's in the next (X) hour. And let's continue with your phone calls. Hi, welcome. You're on with Mr. KABC. Good evening. (X)
3: Mr. KABC —
M: Yes, sir.
3: — have you — that previous caller reminded me of the disgruntled truck driver. Have you heard from him recently?
M: Yes. Ken from Long Beach. The — we call (X) him 'the belly-aching truck driver.' Yeah. (X) I haven't heard from him in a couple weeks, though. (X) You know, Doug McIntyre also makes reference to him (X) frequently because we both find him equally (X) amusing. And I don't know if he's (X) called Doug's show but he has not called mine in I think it's probably been a month.
3: That's a shame.
M: Yeah. (laughs)
3: Guy's a —
M: Why is it a shame? He always — I told him the last time he called. I said, "You know what, unless you can start singing a new (X) song, we don't want to hear it. We just don't."
3: Ri(ght), It's perversely entertaining. (X)
M: Well for a couple minutes it is and then you start to get frustrated when you realize we've had this conversation before and it hasn't moved one inch.
3: No, you realize it. (X) He doesn't.
M: That's true. (X)
3: You know, I was — while listening to this other fellow and God bless him but, you know, he wants to go to work for the Sierra Club. (X)
M: Well even the Sierra Club might be a little too corporate for him.
3: Well it's a little too — and also it's a major polluter because I'm familiar with the printing industry and they publish (X) Sierra Magazine, which is a Web-(X)printed four-color printing —
M: Now isn't that done on recycled paper, though? ("WW")
3: Well only twenty-five percent of it can be recycled content, otherwise you wind up —
M: Oh, it's consumer waste — yeah.
3: — with nothing. But (or "BUT") — and their — (X) CAL-OSHA has the most severe restriction — I mean I just am astonished they don't make the (X) connection ("YOU KNOW" "WI") in our e(X)conomy. And I wonder where they've — how they made it.
M: Yeah, well people sort of think, you know, when you give money to General Motors (X) that then it just goes to the General Motors shareholders.
3: Exactly. And the lobbyist.
M: Yeah. And the lobbyists. That's right. The lobbyists that want (X) to make, you know, higher (X) polluting automobiles.
3: So I suppose the fifty percent of the American (X) population that have (X) got some equity in the (X) stock market would argue with that. (X)
M: Well we're all contributors, aren't we?
3: There we go.
M: Alright, sir.
3: Thank you sir.
M: Thanks for the call. Ba-bye. Uhhh let's see. How about you? Welcome to KABC. (X)
4: Hi, Mr. KABC. (X)
M: Hi, welcome.
4: There was a (X) debate going about whether a defense attorney (X) should not take his client if he believes he is (X) guilty of a horrendous crime. There was a talk show host who was —
M: Well you're talking about Bill O'Reilly.
M: Bill O'Reilly was specifically talking about Zacarias Moussaoui and how (X) — how could anyone be a defense attorney for him. As it turned out, (X) he's acting as his own defense attorney and (X X) not very (X) successfully.
4: Right but you would not agree with what Bill O'Reilly was saying, would you?
M: Bill doesn't have it exactly right. (X) Because you can be forced by a — if you're a defense attorney, you can be forced by a judge (X) to take a case even though (X) you may find your (X) client morally (X) objectionable. Unlike the earlier caller that didn't want to work for a perfume (X) company because it's (X) shareholder-owned, he may have some grounds to refuse that job. I — ("LL") there are defense attorneys that can not. You can be told by a judge, "You're assigned (X) to this case."
4: Well you're absolutely right. And every case would end up having to do that in order to get through the system so it's (X) like a moot point. But the other point I wanted to make —
M: Well I mean don't you feel kind of sorry for the (X) woman who has to defend Ale(X)jandro Avila? I mean it's so — he's so clearly guilty and he's done everything with the exception of admitting guilt that the lawyer (X) taking that case must know that she cannot (X) prevail. Nor would she want to because (X) as any decent human wants someone like this to —
4: Oh yeah, she has to be holding her nose with both hands. But —
M: But she also recognizes that he deserves a defense.
4: But I think what Mr. O'Reilly was not understanding, he was (X) trying to say that legally, you know, an (X) attorney can do this but that's not true. (X) Legally, an at(X)torney must do it because of the fact that ("HE") — in other words, he was (X) asking the at(X)torney to be the (X) judge, (X) jury — judge and jury when in fact —
M: Well he's not correct.
4: — you are entitled to have — (X) you are not guilty until (X) proven (X) guilty.
M: That's correct.
4: By a jury of your peers. Correct?
M: That's correct.
4: Boy, I just — I'm impressed with myself. But I just wanted to — (small laugh) (X)
M: But on the other hand, (X) for example, (X) would a judge (X) force (X) Harland Braun to defend (X) Robert (X) Blake? And the answer is no. (X) He is a private attorney and he can pick and choose what cases he wants to (X) take. And if Robert Blake couldn't pay his fee or for whatever reason he found the — (X) the case to be morally objectionable — or he believed that (X) his client wasn't ("BY") — that his client would be represented sufficiently (X) by a court-appointed attorney, he could (or "HE COULD") — (X) he could bow off, he could beg off that case.
4: That's (X) true. But it would not necessarily — ("HE") in other words, all these (X) people (X) would eventually get their attorney. (X)
M: Well, you know, Miles Berman has this — has a quote. I'm (X) going to paraphrase it because I don't have it exactly right but he says, 'You know, everyone is entitled to a defense but not everyone is entitled to my defense.' And there are people that Miles Berman turns away (X) that, for whatever reason, usually because they have an inability to pay (X) because that's ("WHAT HE") — that's how he makes his living. He's not doing it for — as a (X) public service. He's doing it because that's the kind of law he's decided to practice and — (X) and wants to be compensated for it.
4: Well and what — so — and — but also, you know, you can think (X) beyond a reasonable doubt (X) that in your mind this person (X) is guilty (X) but many people have been wrong because people actually have confessed to crimes they didn't commit. (X) People have been (X) framed. (X) People have been — I mean a hundred people have gotten off of death row (X) because they were innocent. I mean so to — for him to (X) say — I was really in (X) shock (X) that he would come out with such a —
M: Well he just got it wrong. A lot of people (X) misunderstand the law and, (X) yeah, I'm sure it was an honest mistake on his part. And I know people have corrected him. And I don't know if he's (X) admitted that he was incorrect but (X) I saw some lawyers who were actually (X) he was grilling about this very issue. (X) And they told him that he was flat out wrong, that lawyers can be compelled to — (X) to — by a judge to defend a defendant. (X) Hi, you're on with Mr. KABC. Hello?
M: Yeah, you're on the air.
5: Oh yes. Hi —
5: — Mr. KABC. (X) I wanted to call you to — but so many callers . . . (X) I listened to your show a long (X) time and — but I never (X) called you. (X)
5: But I'm (X) calling today to let you know that this (X X) caller who called about the Moon (X) that's very low on the horizon. It looks very big.
5: Today is the day and I was driving. And I saw the so big Moon close to the horizon. (X)
M: Yeah. Now you know that's just an optical (X) illusion, right?
5: It is.
M: The Moon isn't —
5: Yeah, it is optical illusion and I just wanted —
M: It's not that the Moon is any —
5: — people to see, you know, how — I remember you telling put, you know, (X) a dime at your arm's (X) length —
5: — and you can do it at night (X) too.
5: And it'll be about the same length. (X)
5: And width. But it does look (X) bigger because of the optical illusion.
M: Right. Because you don't have a point of —
5: . . . people want to experiment it, they can see it today. (X)
M: Yeah, you don't have a point of reference and that's why when it's low on the horizon —
M: But there are people who have this — ("SO") it's one of those ones that's difficult to shake. People believe because the (X) — the (X) light from the Moon (X) has more (X) atmosphere to go through that it's refracted — the light becomes refracted and so it becomes magnified. And it's just not — (he taps on desk three times apparently) that's just not the reason why. (X) Hi, welcome. You're on with Mr. KABC.
6: Hi, Mr. KABC. (X)
M: Hi. (X)
6: Hey, my question is if a radio station folds, (X) can another radio station use those same call letters? (X) Like say for example, let's say (X) a new radio station comes along and they want to use the call letters (X) to a station that folded like maybe (X) 40 years ago, could they (X) — could they do that?
M: Yeah. You have to go through the FCC but you can request licenses fr(om) — you can request the call letters of radio stations whose licenses have either expired (X) or are no longer used.
6: Okay. ("OLLIE")
M: And that happens all the time.
6: Oh does it really?
M: Yeah. Oh yeah. There's (X "O") — for example, one of the legendary call letters in Los Angeles was KMPC. (X)
6: Right. (X)
M: KMPC was relinquished by the Walt Disney Company, the same company that owns this radio station, Disney.
6: Right. (X)
M: Because we picked up (X) KSPN on that same frequency. (X)
6: What about (X) KRLA? Was that the same thing that happened to them?
M: Yes. (X)
6: I see. (X) Alright.
M: Yeah. (or "YEAH") Thanks for the call. Yeah, the FCC can — (X) can for whatever reason (X) not grant you those (X) call letters but usually if they're not being contested (X) for some reason and they're (X) available — (X) like, for instance, you know, a legendary (X) station in Los Angeles was KMET, the — ("WHAT WAS") now (X) classic rock station. (X) Could someone (X) get a license for a radio station (X) and change the (X) call letters to KMET? (X) I don't think anyone has (X) KMET (X) west of the (X) Mississippi so theoretically the answer is yes. (X) Alright 10:46 on Talk Radio 790 KABC. (X) Back for more of your calls right after we check the latest (X) traffic. (X)
R: Hey there, (X) I got some information on KMET, the 'Mighty Met.'
M: Oh yeah?
R: A guy — a group bought it in Banning.
M: Oh really?
R: And they turned it into a (X) highway traffic — (X) traffic slash (X) traffic/news station.
M: It's still on the air? (X)
R: I don't know if it's still on the air (X) but they still own the call letters. And it was on the air for a couple years.
M: Well you can only (X) — you can only own the (X) call letters for a radio station that's (X) on the air. (X)
R: Okay, well they're broadcasting something —
M: Yeah. (or "YEAH")
R: — because the last I heard they were up and running. And this — a couple years back (X) but they made a big deal of owning, you know, the call letters KMET. (X)
M: And KHJ is another one. (X)
R: Yeah, KHJ, right.
M: That's — those are legendary but there is — I think there is a KHJ. (X) It's just KHJJ or something, right? (X) Isn't there a K — isn't there on the AM dial? It's I think Spanish or something.
R: It's Spanish. Right. (X)
M: But it's —
R: I think you're right. (X)
M: But it is — I don't know. (X)
R: I know what you're talking about.
M: Or maybe it's on the frequency that wa(s) — KHJ was what?
R: (X) KHJ — KHJ was 93? Wasn't it KHJ — (X) I'm trying to think of the jingle.
M: I think you're right. I think it was 93.
R: Yeah, 93 KHJ.
M: Yeah. And —
R: "93 KHJ." Something like that.
M: And now it's Spanish but I think it's KHJJ or something like that.
M: And I think it's because the primary — you know, you (X) could only get a three letter (X) call if you were one of the (X) primary radio stations in a given market and you were a (X) clear channel. You know, you had a 50,000-watt clear channel —
M: You know, like K — (X) what's our sister station in San Francisco?
M: KGO. (X) Yeah, for example. (X)
R: Right. Huh. (X) Okay.
M: But I don't — I think the KHJ is K — I think 93 or 930 is (X) KHJJ. (X)
R: Okay. I'll have to (X) check it out.
M: Yeah. (X)
R: KAB — KABC traffic alert.
M: You even forgot the call letters of this radio station, didn't you?
R: (small laugh)
M: Alright. (X)
R: Never. The Cajon pass . . . On the KABC (X) traffic watch, I'm Rob Marinko Talk Radio 790 KABC. (promos and commercials)
M: 10:53. We're just minutes away from one of our favorites, our regular Dr. — (X) well not our regular Dr. Krupp. He's the great — the good Dr. Krupp, as we like to refer (X) to him. (X) He's also great. He really can explain things about astronomy in a very simple and easy (X) to understand way. And we'll spend some time with Dr. (X) Krupp, (X) talk about all the (X) latest things in (X X) the heavens. That's coming up next. After the news at 11 also, we'll have (X) the three quiz questions at our half way point. And, as always, we have a bonus question for Dr. (X) Krupp. He's a big (X X) — he's a big Bob Dylan fan so I always like to have a bonus Bob Dylan question for Dr. Krupp. And we'll get to the phone lines here and continue with your calls. By the way, your basic questions about astronomy next hour will be welcomed. Hi, you're on with Mr. KABC.
7: Hello, Mr. K.
M: Yeah. Hi, welcome, sir.
7: Thank you (X) very much. A first time caller to the (X) program. (X)
M: Oh great.
7: Yeah. I have your answer for the KHJ deal.
7: KHJ lives (X) with the original call letters.
7: And it is at 930 as a Spanish station.
M: Oh, okay.
7: How it worked was when RKO owned KHJ in the past, they changed the call letters to KR(X)TH AM. Then they sold it to the company that (X) is now running the Spanish programming.
7: They renamed it K(X)KHJ.
M: Oh KKHJ, that's right. That's . . .
7: However, some — I think it was last year. I guess they got some special dispensation from the FCC.
M: Yeah, that's usually the way it works.
7: Now it is officially KHJ.
M: Oh. Alright. Very good. I'm glad you got the history for us straight.
M: Thank you.
7: Thank you. (bumper music starts)
M: Ba-bye. Oh — oh come on. I've taken like two calls this hour? Line three, I'm sorry I couldn't get to you.
M: Yeah. Sorry. Line four, I'm sorry I couldn't get to you either.
M: Alright. Line five, sorry I couldn't get to you.
M: Car phone. Yeah. Line six, I'm sorry I couldn't get to you.
11: When can I call back? (X)
M: Well if you have a question about basic astronomy, next hour.
11: What about at (X) twelve o'clock? Can I call back at twelve o'clock?
M: Well we'll see. We'll see how it goes. Sorry I couldn't get to you, line one.
12: Well I have one real quick astronomy question.
M: Alright, well stand by, I'll hold you over. Line two, I'm sorry I couldn't get to you. Line three, I'm sorry I couldn't get to you either.
14: Hey, there's a KHJ in Spokane, Washington.
M: Oh. Alright. Well apparently not any more. (X) Alright, Dr. Krupp is next. Your basic questions about astronomy. (gives number/ commercials and promos follow)
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