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Q: Well I want to call tonight. I guess Phillip forgot the commercials so he'll have to have double (this half hour) as if there weren't horrendously many already. So I guess I'll tape the next half hour too. I don't know if I'll get on now or later. His other guest is Tom Shroder who has a book about reincarnation so you have an author selling a book about materialistic global trends and then you have a guest about reincarnation. I'm a little nervous. Take deep breaths. He seems like a nice man.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: DUE TO PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES, WHEN PHILLIP SAID "NOW" I THOUGHT IT COULD POSSIBLY BE A CHANNELED MESSAGE FOR ME TO CALL NOW. I PLANNED TO USE ONE TAPE RECORDER TO RECORD THE BROADCAST AND ANOTHER TO RECORD MY TELEPHONE CALL YET WHEN I HURRIEDLY BEGAN CALLING I COULDN'T HEAR ANYTHING COMING THROUGH THE EAR PHONES AND THOUGHT THE LISTENING DEVICE WASN'T WORKING ON THE BACK-UP RECORDER.)
Q: So then I switched to the other tape, hoping to use the functioning tape recorder. Oh it needs batteries too, I guess. I'm confused. I'm devastated. I was sure I was going to get on. Maybe this is proof that Mighael doesn't love me any more. I guess that's a question I have about just how much is Mighael in control because some pretty terrible things happen. Obviously, God wouldn't want terrible things to happen. I mean it seems to me that Mighael is the Angel that is the channel of thoughts and creativity between ourselves and God. Anyway, people wouldn't get that though if I said it over the they would think that was just too ludicrous. They have to be prepared. ("ME") 'So what if the Angel Michael is the Holy Ghost or Christ or Krishna or the ' ("I") in my introduction to New Testament, of course, it has very valid points about all that in the "Jesus: Second Coming" and "Oneness Of All Force" paragraphs.
Q: By the way, while those Art Bell commercials ring endlessly on, I was just thinking about Hitchcock. He made a big mistake in his interview with Mervin Griffin, talking about how the perfect crime is committed all the time because it's something that people "get away with" so you never know about it but, of course, since we're all linked to God through our shared subconscious mind there's really no way of getting away with anything. Something to think about when you consider doing something really bad. Hell can be instantaneous. I think Art knows all about that. Once you're not working with Spirit, once you do something maybe I don't know. I can't really judge. No one can really judge. In fact, that's something else I'm willing to talk about on the air. Who knows? He might really think I am the Antichrist. I mean I have made mistakes. Anyway, I don't really mean ("THIS") to be a journal. This is supposed to be a taped radio segment so
Q: Well I was trying to dial in on the wild card line and I got through like five times in a row. I thought for sure I was going to get on the air. I was all ready. I was going to say, "Good evening, Phillip. Michael's done a wonderful job of presenting the materialistic side of the problems of the world as we approach the new millennium but what about the spiritual aspects? It seems that Y2K and all of these events are being spiritually orchestrated in some ways through our shared subconscious. Of course, today is the historic date on the Aztec calendar and when you really think about it we are very much like the Aztecs. The civilization is flourishing again. There's a lot in common. Anyone who tells the truth ends up as a sacrifice or victim in our day and age much like during the Aztecs' time." Anyway, I was hoping to segue into my being ostracized by others exploiting the corrupt social order being an author who's the victim of a media cover-up myself. God knows what I would've said? My notes sort of I have notes in front of me so I might have referred to my Hitchcock ancestry. I've discovered people really aren't comfortable with the subject of angelic or divine communication/reincarnation when it isn't presented in a sentimental or heart-warming way. And in this case there is physical evidence. I was hoping to say, "I made the case study available free of charge on the Internet at testament.org" and maybe mention Art's cover-up anyway, maybe this is practice for later. Maybe I'll get through on the next hour. My other I have another tape recorder that isn't working for some reason. The listening device. (sighs) I wonder what all this means.
Q: By the way, my (back-up) tape recorder is working. Just the volume was turned down very, very low. That's why I didn't think it was working.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: IT WAS AFTER MIDNIGHT WHEN PHILLIP MENTIONED THEY WERE GOING TO BEGIN ACCEPTING QUESTIONS FROM CALLERS. SINCE MY CALLS WENT UNANSWERED ON THE WILD CARD LINE EARLIER, I DIALED IN ON THE WESTERN U.S. LINE AND RECEIVED A BUSY SIGNAL. I REDIALED ON THE FIRST TIME CALLER LINE.)
(telephone ringing)
P: . . . were (BEEP) terribly brave to go to Beirut even though there is a certain amount of peace reigning, it's still a dicey situation at the moment until they can get a grip on
T: Yeah, I remember when I first was arranging to go there and I got on the Internet and checked the State Department page and they have this very frightening warning saying
(TRANSCRIBER'S MESSAGE: THE TAPE RECORDED FROM THE BROADCAST IS LOUDER AND CLEARER. IN IT TOM CAN BE HEARD SAYING 'NO' BETWEEN 'WARNING' AND 'SAYING.' THERE WERE MANY INSTANCES OF THIS DURING THE BROADCAST AND MANY SOUND LIKE SPIRIT MESSAGES.)
S: "Coast To Coast A.M." with Art Bell. What's actually Phillip Clarke filling in for Art Bell. What's your first name?
Q: Mark.
S: Mark. And where are you calling from, Mark?
Q: I'm calling from the San Fernando Valley.
S: (O)kay. And you're listening on KABC?
Q: Yes.
S: (O)kay. And what's your question?
Q: My question has to deal with synchronicity and reincarnation in terms of people learning about past lives through indications other than memory or hypnosis.
S: Oh okay. Terrific question. I'm going to put you on hold. Make sure your radio is turned off and you speak up nice and loud for Phillip Clarke.
Q: Okay, it's off.
S: Okay. Terrific, Mark. I'm putting you on hold.
Q: Okay.
T: It was very . . . moment was very intense because you're in India there's no sort of getting away from it all.
P: Right.
T: You're constantly bombarded. There's just an unending sensory bombardment of, no, just the millions and the throngs and the no, I the only the way I sort of got over the culture shock of being in India was I began to say, "Well I'm getting a chance to look at what it might've been like to be in Europe during the Middle Ages." It had that feel. I mean there was on one hand
P: Yes, of course.
T: you had you were surrounded by intense poverty and open sewage and pigs wallowing in the street but on the other hand there was just this endless life going on around you. ("NO") Both animal and human. ("I") And it was an incredible stimulating pageant at all times but it was exhausting. And Stephenson, no, who's eighty years old would run me into the ground on these days. He often didn't stop for lunch. And every once in a while he'd stop and say, "Well I think our driver might want to get a little something to eat." No . . .
P: (laughs)
T: How about me?
P: Me too. Right.
T: And well he's just remarkable and in remarkable condition. And his ("NO") he's so sharp and so learned, ("YEAH") so widely read. He was just fascinating to be around.
P: Now I hope that before too much more time passes perhaps with the help of your book that he'll get some of the recognition that I think he deserves. Now let's take some phone calls and see what the people out there have to ask you. So let's go, first of all, to George in San Diego. Hello, George. How are you?
G: Good evening, Phillip and good evening, Tom. I wanted to offer some anecdotal evidence for Tom's argument. It's sort of second-hand hearsay but it's from my mother about me. And I'm informed that when I was just a lad of maybe three or four I used to tell stories about having been in the British Royal Navy in the American Revolution and I seemed to know all sorts of things about sailing ships and the American Revolutionary War that I should not have otherwise known.
T: Oh that's very interesting. It's not typical of the kind of cases we were seeing because surprisingly all the children in the cases that we saw remembered lives in the immediate previous generation. I think the ("THE") biggest the biggest lapse between the death of the individual remembered and the child's life was about twenty years, which I found rather remarkable. There weren't no, in most of the cases that we hear about from regression are things like you're talking about where it skips several generations and goes back to something like that. But it's interesting you don't remember any of this I take it?
G: No yeah, again I no, I seem I have strange memories from my childhood but no, that does not happen to be one of them but I thought I'd share that because it seems to offer some corroboration to what you're talking about. And I'm very skeptical about anything that can't be proven at will under laboratory conditions but this one I don't have an explanation for.
T: Yeah. Well, no, it's interesting to there are many anecdotal things but I think that if it weren't for situations where the child was saying specific things that could later be corroborated about somebody's life like, no, the girl who asked about, "Did your uncle give you the jewelry?" or Preidi who talked about, no, the names of her siblings and her parents and the place where she lived and described the house and things like that, that later could be proven to be true, I'd have to say that no matter how interesting what the child said ("THERE'S") no, there's many possibilities. ("NO") Maybe a child was aware of a movie or a television show or something like that. So in the absence of something that's really compels you to say, "Well there's no way a child could've gotten that off the television or off of movies" no, I would tend to sort of just think, "Well isn't that interesting but it doesn't really prove much."
G: Well
P: Thank you, George. Now let's go to another caller. This time from the San Fernando Valley right here in L.A. (BEEP) Mark. Hello?
Q: Hi, Phillip.
P: Hi.
Q: I wanted to ask Tom about accounts of synchronicity and non-memory reincarnation accounts because in my own case Spirit led me to discovering about my former incarnation and I even had material proof. So is this common?
T: Well what are you is what common? What are you
Q: Well in my case, there was a small antique store near where I was living at the time. And I went in there and I found a small medallion that had my exact likeness. And, of course, there were many other events too. Like I found a book about this person who I was in a former life and as soon as I got home that night there was a power outage so I ended up reading the book by flashlight. And there was other synchronicity in terms of names. The name of the person who I was in my previous life was very similar to my name in this life. And I just wondered ("FOR") like non-memory, non-hypnosis cases I mean what do you have any accounts ("WHE[RE]") there were similar cases where like, let's say, an angel guides someone to find out about their previous existence?
T: Well I mean I've certainly heard of many accounts like that but (or "BUT"), no the (or "NO THE") what I was interested in was accounts that were, no, not based on received wisdom. I mean received wisdom would be like 'an angel told me this.' And, no (or "NO"), someone might've had an experience of an angel telling them something but there's no way that an outside observer could be persuaded of that unless, no unless they saw which isn't the case, isn't what happened.
P: So this is basically what a very personal experience that is not something that you could really check up.
Q: Well what
T: Right. And it might be very personally valid to you but it's not the sort of thing that people could be invited to check for themselves.
(TRANSCRIBER'S MESSAGE: SINCE I TAPED MY PARTICIPATION FROM THE TELEPHONE RECEIVER AND FROM THE BROADCAST WITH THE TAPE DELAY, I WAS ABLE TO COMPARE THE TAPES. AFTER TOM SAID "VALID TO YOU," I MAY HAVE SAID "YEAH" HEARD ON THE TAPE MADE FROM THE TELEPHONE YET THIS ISN'T HEARD ON THE TAPE MADE FROM THE BROADCAST. MY INTERJECTING "WELL WHAT" IS BARELY AUDIBLE ON THE BROADCAST TAPE.)
Q: Yeah. Well in my case, what I ended up doing what you had commented earlier about disbelief suppressing real cases really rung a bell with me is I (or "IS I") gathered up ("LIKE") my various evidence and I put it on the Internet because I wasn't really getting much press cooperation. So I have a website at testament.org and I just put up all the information there so I figure the people who are interested in it can get it free of charge and those who aren't can just continue ignoring me. ("UM-HUH")
(TRANSCRIBER'S MESSAGE: THE SPIRIT MESSAGE "UM-HUH" IS ONLY HEARD ON THE TAPE OF THE BROADCAST.)
P: (laughs) Okay, Mark, thank you very much for your call.
Q: (off the air) Okay. Tell Art I said hello.
P: Now let's go to Jeff in Boston.
J: Okay.
P: Jeff?
J: Yes, I'm calling to tell people how I use lucid dreams to remember past lives and would like to recommend how listeners can do the same thing. And what I do is I fall asleep listening to the radio and hear the radio in my sleep. So I pick a commercial that I hear sometimes and I practiced thinking every time I hear that commercial 'I will wonder if I'm dreaming.' And so when I'm asleep hearing the radio and hear that commercial I wonder if I'm dreaming and to test this I stick my thumbs in my ears. If I still hear the commercial I know I'm dreaming because I know I'm not awake really physically sticking my thumbs in my ears, blocking the sound. And so once I know I'm dreaming, my mind becomes my psychic workshop and psychic playground and I do all sorts of research and successfully. I remember more and more of past lives through doing this. And I have a lot of fun in other ways along the way because my mind is my psychic workshop and psychic playground. And this works even better if someone records a radio on VCR using a VCR like a regular audio tape recorder because my fall asleep listening to the VCR, I already heard it when I recorded it so I'm able to ignore it more when I'm hearing it and get to sleep more easily so night after night I hear the same eight-hour recording tape from a radio show on the VCR, having lucid dreams and I would like listeners to do the same thing and I'm wondering who to contact maybe you or someone else about how to promote this idea more.
P: Well I think you pretty much put it out there. Let's see if we get any response on it. Thank you very much for your call, Jeff. Now let's go to John in Charleston, West Virginia.
J: Good morning.
P: Yes.
J: I was wondering if in your studies if you've ever heard of a change in gender?
T: Yes. There are some cross-gender cases that Dr. Stephenson has studied. And sometimes these are accompanied by some problems with sexual identity in the child's current situation the memories of being a different gender in a previous life is accompanied by, no (or "NO'), either homosexuality or cross-gender identification.
J: Thank you.
P: Mmm. Thank you very much for your call, John. Tom, we've got a lot of calls lined up but unfortunately we have to take a break at this point in time and I'm going to get right back to you as soon as we've taken our break and done all the things that we have to do. This is Phillip Clarke sitting in for Art Bell on this well it's not Friday any more. It's Saturday here in Los Angeles. But we'll struggle on through and we'll go back to our author, Tom Shroder, author of Old Souls: The Scientific Evidence for Past Lives. Reincarnation is what we're talking about and if you have a thought or a question, by all means give me a call. We'll be back after these words.
(bumper music is "Words of Love" performed by The Mamas & The Papas)
Q: So I got on, thanks to Mighael. I did call on the first time caller line, which was sort of dishonest but I figure that's sort of silly. Anyway, I mean Art's been sort of dishonest about me by not having me on the show suppression of the truth. So what's one little bit of dishonesty? I had to get through. Anyway, I can live with that. Anyway, I don't even know what I'm talking about. There are so many thing going through my mind. I did get the website out, I think, so I'm going to Email my webmaster just to let him know. All those millions of people trying to get on the website at the same time yeah, right. Maybe a few if I'm lucky. But I'll let him know in any case. My hopes are always much higher than what usually happens. But, anyway oh I just I can't imagine being in this predicament. I just can't imagine all the people who aren't learning about what I have to share for such silly, silly reasons such primitive reasons. Anyway, I hope my 'psycho bitch from hell' days are over. I'm filing with the temp agency on Monday because I don't have any choice. I wanted to apologize to Art but I didn't have the chance.
Q: So what do you think of the news coverage? Pretty pathetic. I got some Email from some jerk. It just says, "He says you're not helping" with no period or anything.
Q: Well I guess I really don't have to give you my interpretations, explanation or beliefs at this point. So it's three o'clock on the fourteenth and I'm going to bed.
Q: So it's Sunday night and I'm listening to "Dreamland" with Whitley Streiber as I work on the Internet, etc. I thought I would download the new website. But it's getting complicated. Anyway.
( . . . )
Q: So "Dreamland" is now over. For a moment I was thinking that I should call in. Mighael wants me to call in. Whitley was interviewing Bill MacDonald, who I found terribly unforthcoming the last time he was one. He just didn't make sense. He couldn't talk about a lot of things. What he did say seemed to have a bias. He just was just not coherent. So, of course, I could call and I'm not quite sure how I would've said it. ("BUT") I would've just raised the point about these people with military backgrounds and how can anyone really trust them because, of course, the military aspect is key to the whole cover-up. My estimation is that for these people at some point in their dealings they do get some feeling that the phenomena is something divine, something of God and, of course, in the minds with all their military backgrounds and the basic opposition with God's word in terms of 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' and well just all the military sensibility. So and, of course, these people are very what's the word? Aggressive. They're very aggressive. That's what they're trained to be. And, of course, they project this aggressiveness into God and into the whole question of forgiveness. I'm sure they don't get much forgiveness in the military so they don't think that God is forgiving too. ("SO") The key question becomes when someone realizes they made a mistake, why oh why oh why do they perpetuate it? Why can't they just say, "Look, I made a mistake." That's one thing that none of the media people none of the people I've come in contact with have been big enough to do. They just don't understand that it's not important what other people think about you. The only thing that's important is what God thinks about you because God is determining your lessons and your future, ("N") who or what you'll be in the future. It doesn't matter who or what you are now. I guess I couldn't have been this relaxed to say all these things on the air. Of course, Bill his website is just absurd. He's got X-rated erotica mixed in with UFO B.S. We don't want to say bullshit. Anyway, at one point he said that he's a big airplane fanatic and the only thing more beautiful is a woman's body so it gets all into that whole male chauvinistic pretense, putting on, trying to pretend how heterosexual they all are ("N") gets down to the other key predicament of the military in terms of heterosexuality goes hand in hand with the military mentality and the level of dishonesty here I'll let you decide because, of course, social conditioning is a part of it, unfortunately. Anyway, it's very consistent my perspective of the phenomena, the military, sexuality. I mean I can explain the whole sexual confusion. I mean I've thought a lot about the subject. ("AND") It seems quite basic and obvious that an individual projects his or her sexuality into their partner. I received the message that "God Is Gay" and so that proves that we truly are created equal. And it's easy to comprehend why some people persecute people who are open about their sexuality. It's because they are suppressing their own true preference.
( . . . )
Q: And how Whitley can let this guy go on and on, giving ridiculous replies, saying absurd things, makes me just that much more sure that Whitley's got a lot of cover-ups going on. I mean there's been so many indications of this over the years. His father, his uncles ("JUST") there's just so much there.
( . . . )
Q: So, anyway, just to conclude this tape side, I guess tomorrow I'll be calling the temp agency. The truth is I don't want to work temp yet I can't really get a good permanent job for obvious reasons, including I haven't worked recently. ("N") That's sort of a difficult situation. I mean my temp agency contacts aren't really good references at the moment, anyway. So I did get an interview request from the website, which I put into my journal an Email interview they requested so I said I was available but I did want them to be familiar with my website. So Michael and Steve are on their way to St. John island, ("IN TH") Caribbean, with Chandler who just got back from Hawaii. I mean some children never get to go anywhere. They live in poverty and Chandler gets everything she wants, goes everywhere and doesn't even appreciate it because she doesn't even understand she doesn't have time to understand what it is she's experiencing. Then when she grows up and everything isn't given to her there'll be problems.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: HERE IS A LINK TO THE FOLLOWING TAPE SIDE TAPE #542, SIDE #2.)
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I WAS INTERVIEWED FOR THE LIVE "MORNING X" RADIO SHOW ON NORTH CAROLINA'S 99.5 FM IN THE EARLY MORNING ON OCTOBER 11, 1999. TOMMY COLLINS SAID "NO" MIDWAY DURING A QUESTION THREE TIMES DURING THE INTERVIEW, PERHAPS 'CHANNELING' A RESPONSE.)
Q: Good morning?
T: Mr. Bell?
Q: Yes.
T: Hey, Tommy and Wendy from 99X.
Q: Hi.
T: We're going to go on with your interview in about six minutes. Is that going to be a problem?
Q: No, that's fine.
T: Okay, great. We'll call you right back at this number then.
Q: Great.
T: Alright. Look forward to talking to you.
Q: Okay, bye.
( . . . )
Q: Hello?
T: . . . (Mark Russell) Bell?
Q: Hi.
T: Tommy and Wendy again.
Q: Hi, Tommy.
T: . . . We've got one minute before we go on the air.
Q: Okay.
T: Where are we calling you at?
Q: I'm living in L.A.
T: Oh, okay. That's early for you then.
Q: That's right but I'm used to getting up early.
T: Okay. Good good. How's the weather out in L.A. right now?
Q: It's like summer. It's very warm. I'm living in the valley at the moment after living in Santa Monica so I'm (Wendy comes on the line) hi.
W: Hello.
T: That's Wendy.
W: (laughs)
Q: Hi, Wendy.
W: How are you?
Q: Very good.
W: Good. ("NO") We're real interested in your story. We just don't want to ask any questions until we get on the air so you're not repeating yourself.
Q: Oh, okay.
W: Just as a baseline, you believe that you're a reincarnated Egyptian deity? Correct?
Q: Yeah, it's a long story though. ("AND I") But I'm very good at making it short.
T: Good.
W: Good. I just wanted to make sure we're all on the same base.
Q: Yeah. (song I think "Do Right" concludes)
T: 99.5 WXNR New Rock 99X. Jimmie's Chicken Shack. "Morning X." Tommy and Wendy. It's 8:21. Average temp 69 throughout eastern North Carolina which is one of my favorite temperatures.
W: (laughs)
T: Jimmie's Chicken Shack coming to The Attic downtown Greenville homecoming concert, baby. It's going to be awesome Saturday the I believe it's the 20th. I don't have the calendar in front of me right now but it's a Saturday and it's around the 20th, whether it's the 21st or 19th.
W: Jimmie's Chicken Shack . . . I left you large and in charge.
T: Homecoming weekend, alright?
W: Right on!
T: You should be able to know when that is. ("HI") That's going to be awesome, man. We're going to have all kinds we're going to have hundreds and hundreds of free CDs, all kinds of free food and stuff. And a big old party. It's going to be the bomb! Alright, we have Mark Russell Bell on the line with us and he actually believes that he is a Mr. Bell, what are you?
Q: Well apparently I lived a previous life where I was named Bel-Marduk who basically was a Sumerian god or deity. At least, that's how we perceive him now through mythology. In Egyptian lore, he was also known as Amun-Ra or the individual that Edgar Cayce referred to as Ra-Ta.
T: Okay. So that's Egyptian-speak for God.
W: I was going to say I'm way off. I know Ra was the Sun god. ("IS THAT RIGHT")
Q: Correct. That's very good.
W: Yeah. So that's where the name comes from but I'm like really reaching
T: Should we call you your highness instead of Mr. Bell?
Q: Oh no no. I believe that we each are a manifestation of God on the Earth.
T: Ahhh.
Q: So (or "SO")
T: You know, that's funny you say that because we had 'God' on the air about a month or two ago. He guy changed his name to 'God' and he believes that he is God.
W: Legally. Yes.
T: And he had the same point that you just made.
Q: Well all these messianic characters are all basically correct because I believe that we all have to become a Jesus figure and really learn our lessons and help our fellow man.
T: Right.
W: Right. I mean that there is
T: Should we all have a basic knowledge in carpentry then?
Q: Well in my case I was a carpenter but I was working at Paramount Pictures in Hollywood so I was sort of a carpenter in what I like to call the Hollywood dream factory.
T: Ahh. ("OF")
Q: Of cou(rse)
W: (laughs) That it is. That it is.
Q: But, of course, as I became more spiritually evolved, I realized that Spirit was leading me to write a book about my experiences because basically in me He had found someone who had sinned an awful lot doing the worst kind of jobs possible. Working in Hollywood, I was a talent agent, if you can believe that, before I was a public relations/publicity person. I even worked in the porno magazine industry
T: Wow.
W: (laughs)
Q: while I was in college. ("WAS")
T: Are they still hiring?
Q: I don't know, thank goodness.
T: (laughs)
Q: But that was a big mistake. So I think really, in terms of making my mistakes, I published a book about my experiences and I'm not I don't charge for it. I published it free on the Internet so peop(le) ("SO") it's not like spirituality for sale.
W: Where would people find that?
Q: It's at testament.org and I like getting Email and I answer people's questions because I know this sounds a little 'wacked-out' to people. But, again, I think that's one of the reasons why I was chosen because I'm just so normal and down-to-Earth.
T: Right. (O)kay.
Q: I mean I worked on
W: So ba(sically)
Q: (overlapping) I worked on
W: . . . I'm sorry. (laughs)
Q: movies like oh okay?
T: Dd-dd-dd. Dd-dd-dd. Go ahead.
W: Go ahead.
Q: Yeah. (or "YEAH")
T: Go ahead, Mr. Bell.
Q: Well when I was working at Paramount, I worked on a lot of movies that had sort of supernatural subjects such as the movie "Ghost." "The Butcher's Wife" was actually filmed (partially) in North Carolina. The Demi Moore movie.
W: Yeah, I remember that. ("AN")
Q: And so a lot of films that touch on these subjects. "Virtuosity" was another one. "The Indian in the Cupboard." So "Fire In The Sky," a lot of "Star Trek" movies, "Friday the 13th" movies. So ("I") sort of was an interesting background. This was before, of course, I knew what Spirit had in store for me.
T: Right. I had kind of a religious experience from "Friday the 13th" as well. I don't know if I want to go into that but it was a ("YEAH") that was a personal story. Never mind.
W: (laughs)
T: Sorry I brought it up. ("WHAT") It had to do with a girl, the popcorn trick. You know the popcorn trick? Never mind. You know hole in the bottom of the popcorn bag. Never mind.
Q: Well what happened in my case
W: Sorry. (Or "SORRY")
Q: in my case, I was researching talking poltergeists through history, which sort of prepared me. And I was reading cases of different talking poltergeists. Not just poltergeists but ones that actually spoke and sometimes they would even answer questions. And I found out there was a contemporary family in Oklahoma that had one of these living with them. So I called them and I found out that they actually were related to another family, the Bell family from the Bell Witch case in the 19th century. And sort of like a dynasty of poltergeists. ("I") I had worked on the movie "The Godfather Part III" so I thought, "This is sort of an interesting dynasty."
T: Did you actually get to speak with the poltergeist?
Q: Well what happened is ("HE") the poltergeist in this case was really an Angel. I mean they were calling him "Michael." They thought He was really more of an alien than a spirit. ("BUT") He was He manifested basically as different spirit voices, different entities, spirits. He was basically the Channel between our world and God. So I realized that this was sort of Christ Consciousness or our shared Subconscious manifesting. And basically the conclusion that it led me to was that this was, in fact, the Son of God Who had Christed various individuals throughout history to write spiritually about their experiences. And I did and then when I came back I started real(izing) remembering things like, "Oh my God, I had burning bushes in my in the back yard." And I was working at Paramount, of course, which is known for the famous mountain logo. So then all this it got even more bizarre.
T: So do any of these poltergeists/spirits that you talked to have any clairvoyant skills?
Q: Well I don't really talk to them. What happened is on my interview tapes, when I played them back there were these small voice messages and bits of words of different voices.
T: Ohh.
Q: So like ("LIKE THE")
W: Any of those tapes we can hear?
T: Yeah.
Q: I do. They're not really I don't have them prepared at this moment to put on but I definitely would be glad to come back and share that with you.
T: Yeah, that'd be great. Hey, hold on one second, Mr. Bell. We've got to take a break real quick but we're going to come back and talk to you a little bit more.
Q: Okay.
T: Alright. It's 8:27. We have a 99X news update. It's on the way. . . (I can't make out these three syllables: Dog . . .?) next. Hey Mr. Bell, we've got a five-minute break plus the news.
Q: Okay.
T: Why don't we just give you a call right back so you don't have to be on hold?
Q: Okay, fine.
T: Okay.
( . . .)
Q: Hello?
T: Hey, it's us again.
Q: Hi.
T: We're on in twenty seconds.
Q: Okay. (song, inaudible on tape, ends) Hello?
T: 99.5 WXNR new rock 99X. Smash Mouth: "Walkin' On The Sun." "Morning X" Tommy and Wendy. It's 8:39. The X forecast clouds and rain today, tonight and tomorrow just to sum it up and save us both a lot of headaches talking about it. High about we're looking at a high about 81 today and 75 tomorrow. Right now, average temp 71 throughout Carolina. We have Mark Russell Bell on the line. He is the not only is he someone in our time helping us he was also a pharaoh or a what now? Tell now me what you were again? Some type of ancient Egyptian deity.
Q: Well at the time I believe he actually was a priest but (or "BUT") in mythology he's called a god. I guess they were called god-kings back then. Well I guess now the politicians are the god-kings in our culture.
T: That's what they think, at least.
Q: And the movie stars. Or at least they think they are. But and by the way, that song you just played "Walkin' On The Sun" is a perfect example of a channeled song with very important messages.
T: Ahh. Did you hear a message inside that one?
Q: Well I think it begins very clearly. ("BUT") See, I believe that all songs are channeled. I mean you hear about composers waking up with songs playing in their heads.
W: Right.
Q: And ("SO") everything is divinely channeled so when people charge a lot of money and get a lot of money for channeled material there is a bit of a sin involved.
W: Now when you say 'channeled' I mean I know what that means but I don't think everybody knows what you mean by 'channeled' so could you define it for them?
Q: Right. It's a very first of all, the word has a very negative denotation these days because of all the phony channelers going around and channeling aliens and what-have-you. I mean if they are telling the truth, these are ve(ry)
T: You're not going to tell me Dionne Warwick is a fake, are you?
Q: Oh no. See, most singers and songwriters don't realize ("THAT")well I think they might realizethat they are going to the Collective Unconscious and getting their songs and working in conjunction with Spirit to give various messages.
T: Right.
Q: It is a collaboration in each case yet there are channelers who say, "I am channeling," let's say, "Ra ("THERE IS" "AND HE") and he has to say that there is no such thing as good or evil." So what we have here is a parallel to Satan because, of course, in various lost books of the Bible and other cultures you have this character saying 'I am God' as if there is ("YOU KNOW") one lone God figure. In the Bhagavad-Gita too, there are some troubling passages about Krishna saying, you know, 'You can kill your fellow man because his soul is eternal.' So ("THERE")
M Right.
Q: So basically in fact, studying Krishna and comparing him with Jesus was very illuminating for me. ("LIKE") Because when you read them both, you see how various misinterpretations have occurred with each of them.
T: Now when you tell people what you are and what, no, in your previous life, what is the normal reaction to that?
Q: Well, that's why I usually tell them just to go to my website first because I have all the evidence there. For example, the tapes some of the spirit messages are very short and abrupt and very difficult to hear. It's called Electronic Voice Phenomena and this phenomena is getting more and more attention. In fact, I had made all of my tapes (I was going to say 'available to Art Bell for his radio show') I have about almost 600 of them now, not including the ones I did at Paramount.
T: Do you think that the what you were just talking about, the electric voice paranorma(l) thing is that something that spirits have just learned because of recent, no, technological advances?
Q: Oh no. No. If (or "IF") see, I'm very having done a lot of interviews and transcribing over the years, I actually can hear it even on broadcasts. On radio show broadcasts. ("BUT") It sounds a lot like various people's voices.
W: That would be a lot like the phenomena like we saw in the movie "(The) Sixth Sense."
T: Right.
W: For people that saw that. They talk a little bit about there's a part in the movie where (something like: he's listening to a tape and it turns out he hears more things that came from) voices of people who were not physically there.
T: Right.
W: You know? And is that what you're talking about?
Q: Yes.
W: Something like that?
T: Well there'd be no point in spirits and such doing that earlier because we didn't have the technology to, no, look for that type of stuff.
Q: Oh I'm sure they were doing it with all recorded material because it's very hard to notice. For example, I used to listen a lot to the Art Bell show and I would actually hear spirit laughter inserted between various people speaking. And
T: Now was it an evil laugh or just a 'ha ha ha' laugh?
W: Giggle.
Q: It could be ("TH") there are so many different types and variations that there's a quite wide gamut here. ("BUT") When I was in Oklahoma doing interviews there were some passages that were totally I mean they're ju(st) some of them are very, very clear. It's just like you or I speaking yet we weren't being we weren't present at the interview.
W: Have you heard anything while we were talking?
Q: Well I'll play the tape back later and see.
T: Oh okay.
W: You'll have to call us back, of course, if you hear anything.
T: Absolutely. Because I'd like to know who's in here.
Q: Well it's amaz(ing) well, first of all, since we have a shared Subconscious, everyone who's ever lived can be here. I mean that's why you have seances and what-have-you and famous people can appear because the channel Mighael, the Angel Mighael the Son of God is actually channeling various spirits.
T: Ahh.
Q: And He usually uses these trite cliche supernat(ural) ("Y[OU KNO]W") superstitious-type experiences to have a little fun with us.
T: Yeah, he was having I saw him last night on television. The on the world broadcast premiere of "Michael."
W: Yes. Very good movie.
T: It was. (Or "IT WAS")
Q: Oh right. Well that tied-in with my case because when I went to Oklahoma, they all said ("TH") the Angel had told them before I got there that somebody from Paramount would be coming and that a big movie would be made.
T: Right.
Q: So anyway of course I cut a deal with them to tell their story. ("AND") They are, by the way, sharing all the profits from my book and I'm not really getting any of the profit from the book I published.
T: Right. ("SO")
W: Is that book
T: Michael's big message was remember what John and Paul said Beatles.
Q: That's right.
T: All there (or "ALL THERE") all we need is love.
W: Now real quick again, you said your book is only available on your website
Q: Well, no, it's also available at you can order it from bookstores.
W: Oh okay.
Q: But but you know (or "BUT YOU KNOW") it's free on the Internet. ("I MEAN") In fact, I did
T: Mark give us your website again, Mark.
Q: testament.org
W: (O)kay.
T: And your book's available in bookstores?
Q: Yeah, you can special order it or call The Bodhi Tree in L.A.
T: Okay.
Q: And ("N") you know and I do have a lot of proof for what I say, by the way. ("LIKE") I have ancestral proof in terms of my genealogy ("WHICH" or "WITCH")
T: Right.
Q: All this proof that I have and, of course, when I was in Oklahoma I even had a scarab-looking beetle knocking at my door. Actually all these experiences are presented in documentary fashion because at the time when I was doing these tapes, I never realized I'd actually publish the tapes verbatim. And that's really what I have at the website along with the spirit messages in parentheses.
T: Got you. Alright Mark, we've got to run, buddy.
Q: Okay.
T: Thanks for coming on the show with us this morning, man.
Q: Okay, great.
T: Alright, take it easy.
W: Bye-bye.
Q: Thank you. Bye.
T: Alright, we've got Creed on the way plus more 311 CDs on a 99X free Monday. It's coming up. (off the air) Mark, thanks bud.
Q: Okay. You're welcome.
W: Have a good day.
( . . . )
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) So after thinking about this latest radio interview I'm thinking about that my speaking was a little sloppy and, of course, I try not to do that because then it makes it hard to differentiate the wordswhen you start a sentence and don't complete a sentencefrom spirit messages. Although in a way they are spirit messages because they're coming from out subconscious and I seem to do it more than many people because of the whole task involved. I'm disappointed that I didn't stay on (I guess I did). When Tara had booked me, she said it would be around a half hour and it wasn't that long. I guess I wasn't "wacked-out" enough (for them) even though God knows I have been on other radio interview shows. Maybe it does show I am getting better at this. I do intend to have the opening lyrics of that song "Walkin' On The Sun" here.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: THE FOLLOWING LYRICS FOR SMASH MOUTH'S "WALKIN' ON THE SUN," TRANSCRIBED BY IMADOLLY [SONGBOT STAFF MEMBER], WERE FOUND AT http://www.songbot.com/songbot/artists/smash-mouth/walkin-on-the-sun.htm)
lt ain't no joke l'd like to buy the world a toke
And teach the world to sing in perfect harmony
And teach the world to snuff the fires and the liars
Hey l know it's just a song but it's spice for the recipe
This is a love attack l know it went out but it's back
lt's just like any fad it reacts before impact
And just like fashion it's a passion for the with it and hip
If you got the goods they'll come and buy it just to stay on the clique
So don't delay act now supplies are running out
Allow, if your still alive, six to eight years to arrive
And if you follow there may be a tomorrow
But if the offer is shun you might as well be walking on the sun
Twenty five years ago they broke out and they spoke out
Of depression and oppression and together they toked
And they folked out on guitars around a bon fire
Just singin' and clappin' man what the hell happened
Some say were spell bound some say were hell bound
Some they fell down and some got back up and
Fought back 'gainst the melt down
And their kids are hippie chicks and hypocrites
Because fashion is smashin' the whole meaning of it
(chorus)
It ain't no joke when a mamma's hankercheif is soaked
With tears because her baby's life has been revoked
The bond is broke up so choke up and focus on the close up
Mr.Wizard can't perform no god like Hocus Pocus
So don't sit back kick back and watch the world get bushwacked
News at 10:00 your neighborhood is under attack
You need to be there when your babies are old enough to relate
(chorus)
Q: Of course, there was a lot I wanted to say but couldn't get in. For example, I wanted to mention my experience on September 9, '99 the famous 9-9-99. When I was reading at the gym My Search For The Ghost Of Flight 401 by Elizabeth Fuller. And on page 116 which I read that dayand I finished the book that dayit talked about the Son of God and it was confirmation. It talked about psychiatrist George Ritchie who Dr. Raymond Moody dedicated his book Life-After-Life to him.
( . . . )
Q: So I didn't manage to talk about the commandments. I want to add a new one to my
"Spiritual Advice" list, which I've seen on a few bumper stickers and I've learned from
experience. And I'm ready now to add because television is totally worthless with those
insidious laugh tracks and editing out of any pertinent news. I mean just look at the subjects of
these talkshows in the morning. There's never anything political.
Q: I'd also hoped to explain that for the purposes of my book I've been led into many cover-up situations and what-have-you. I mean I haven't transcribed all the tapes. ("BUT") Recent cover-ups have involved Connie Chung and I'm not really sure if it's true because it was something I received via Email from 'Newshawk.' But I do talk about that on another tape side and of course relating as I've talked before about Arnold Schwarzenegger and his many health problems. When he glamorized the use of steroids in his competitions and movies, it was fine for him to receive the rewards of fame and fortune. Yet now, when his body has been destroyed and ravaged by these drugs, it's being covered up.
( . . . )
Q: The media hasn't shared my spiritual advice because, of course, I'm not on the list for television of approved subjects. And newspapers have a kind of list themselves because they don't want to upset their advertisers or their readers because it's all about making money. Mostly for their companies that don't even exist. Of course, they're comfortable in their own lives even though they're underpaid, perhaps journalists are. Yet they're all afraid seemingly to rock the boat and that's their job. That's how they can serve God. The entire manifestation of life as I've talked about before of individual selves hover on the border of our physical being, which is God, and everything external to our consciousness, which is God. So we're just a spark of emotions that have all these various tests and other choices and manipulations and possibilities and different thoughts coming from who knows where. And we have the freedom and power of choice as we evolve. The same letters spell love. But, of course, I prefer only using the word love in conjunction with God.
( . . . )
Q: So I'm not going say anything more because I've said quite enough ("I") been using these radio interviews as sort of the Reader's Digest version of all my experiences and the book. Only a small percentage having been transcribed for the website. And as I transcribe my earlier tape sides I do see how I have evolved because I am far more spiritually aware now than even when I was after Testament was published. I mean I thought that God had chose me because I was so ideal and then gradually I learned that not only was I not the only Son of God as I had hoped but also that I was still making tremendously terrible mistakes to the point where I found my life endangered several times: walking through the stairs from the garage at Rogers & Cowan and, of course, on the freeway under those bizarre circumstances a couple times. So you know how judgmental we are when it comes to our view on society and religion. God revealed Himself to one of these judgmental people involved in the exploitative social order; perhaps so He could communicate on a level that others could recognize what they have in common.
( . . . )
Q: So in concluding God is Love and I'm willing to broadcast all the tapes on the radio if we can work out the commercials mess. If there aren't commercials. So people can hear about all my debacles and travesties. It's better than what you see at the movies or on TV.
( . . . )
Q: So I just printed out the lyrics for "Walkin' On The Sun" by Smash Mouth. I guess it was transcribed by IMADolly (Songbot Staff Member). There's an Email address at bellsouth.net. So I never really had listened to all the lyrics. I really couldn't understand them just listening to them on the radio. So I guess I'll include them all.
( . . . )
Q: So I need to add one P.S. before finishing this tape side. I do feel rather in tune with Mighael and altogether I don't think He's entirely satisfied with this tape side because it doesn't really communicate all the Love that I've received. It doesn't really show Mighael to be Love. So just to clarify except for a few incidents to communicate necessary path alterations, I have lived entirely in Love and awareness of God's gifts. And all the various gifts. Once I did have my spiritual redemption and awakening, all the things associated with our pathetic, sad material culture no longer had any luster for me. All the technology, most of the songs, video games I mean it's all garbage. Materialistic garbage. Rich foods ("FOODS TH[AT]") are terrible for you. Drinks that are terrible for you just about anything fizzy. I do have Orangina from time to time but I don't even think Mighael wants me what?
L: (interrupts/opens door to my room) Have your shower so it won't be so wet when I go in.
Q: Ellen, please. I put a towel down for you.
L: That's not good en(ough) it's wet all the whole bathroom is damp.
Q: Well that's steam. I can't help that. Oh God listen to what I have live with. Ohh! So, anyway, I'm not complaining. There are a lot of homeless people out there and people holding down horrendous jobs that wreak havoc with their karma. Anyway, what was I saying? ("SO") God is Love. Mighael is Love. But sometimes They have to be tough to help us with our lessons and insights. And I'm just very pleased with this new spiritual understanding that I have because I find value in everything things I didn't appreciate and took for granted before. One can never really say enough so I guess it's good that the end of this tape side is coming. I'm going to have lunch with Fiona today, a rare lunch out. Of course, I'm going to The Good Earth probably. I can barely afford that. So I might be back to temping soon. We'll just have to wait and see. Of course, I don't want to. Who would want to? I certainly who knows? I take it one day at a time, which is all everyone should do. Knowing that God and Spirit is always with me means that I always have a friend.
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