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S: Thank you for calling "Coast to Coast A.M." Can you please hold?
Q: Yes, I can.
S: Thank you. . . . Thank you for holding. Do you have a question or comment for John Hogue?
Q: Yes, I do.
S: Okay, great. Just turn off the radio and listen to the show through the phone. And when you hear Barbara call for the wild card line, you'll be on the air.
Q: Thank you.
S: Thank you.
B: . . . And this is Barbara Simpson with you on "Coast to Coast A.M." We're talking with John Hogue . . . Let's go to our wild card line. (BEEP) How are you and where are you calling from?
Q: Hi, I'm calling from Los Angeles.
B: What's your name?
Q: Well my nickname, oddly enough, is 'Mabus' so I've researched that and I do think that is (an) incorrect conclusion that some have signaled that to be the antichrist
J: Oh really?
Q: which is a metaphor.
J: . . . would agree with you.
Q: It's a metaphor. But what I want
J: . . . (small laugh) Go ahead.
Q: But what I wanted to ask you about what you were saying before about how religion is interpreted in many different ways also seems true for Nostradamus. In some cases, I think this is correct but others are very clear like Century X, Quatrain 72 where 1999 is mentioned and then others like Century 1, Quatrains 95 and 96 which seems very specific and clear. What do you think about that?
J: Well your specific your version of specific and clear may not be another's and that is one thing that at the very least gets revealed in the study of Nostradamus. So many people for the last four centuries have thought they had a clear handle on what Nostradamus said. It doesn't mean they were wrong but, for instance, in the case of the 1999 and seven months prophecy, which talks about the great king of terror descending from the sky, resurrecting the great king of the Mongols, before and after Mars rules happily. That probably
Q: 'Angel moi.'
J: Hmm? Angolmois is, though is a is not about the area, the district in France because it doesn't apply to anything in the prophecy. But it is probably about it's an enigmatic play of the word Mongol.
Q: I have thought it was a play on the French word 'moi.'
J: Now the 1999 and seven months most of us were expecting some person
B: Yeah.
J: to be the great king of terror. But since no person appeared, it is it makes me think of the other way that Nostradamus hides people behind things . . .
Q: Well maybe he did appear but nobody let him speak.
J: . . . and things behind people. So that the great King of Terror in '99 or it was July of 2000, which is implied by the same line. You get global warming as the Great King of Terror descending from (the) sky. It's not a person. It's a phenomenon.
B: Thank you for your question, L.A. I appreciate (line disconnected) . . . is there something you mentioned earlier that something big is coming. Did you mean that that something big is coming this year or just in the future generically?
J: In the future generically. . . .
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: EMAIL I HAD SENT HOGUE PRIOR TO THE CALL INCLUDED A NEWS RELEASE WHERE THE NOSTRADAMUS QUATRAIN WITH THE WORD 'ANGOLMOIS' WAS PRESENTED WITH AN E INSTEAD OF THE FIRST O BASED ON MY PHONETIC RENDERING.)
S: Thanks for calling "Coast to Coast A.M." Would you like to talk to Dr. Mishlove?
Q: Yes, I would.
S: I need your first name.
Q: Mark.
S: Mark, where are you calling from?
Q: Canoga Park. In California.
S: Yeah, I know where it is. I used to live in Oxnard. Mark, and you're real close to L.A., aren't you?
Q: That's right.
S: Okay. Put you on hold and get you on the line.
W: . . . 21st of January two of the witnesses from my cabinwho were at my cabin and had actual close encounters at my cabin while fully conscious and awakeare going to be on the show to just sort of talk about whole thing and talk about their responses to The Key and I have some other people I'm we're thinking we're not sure who we're going to have on talk about The Key. It just depends on how what kind of response we get in the next few weeks. And but, anyway, it's available. It's in it you can get it at (gives number). It's $19.95. Or you can go to the whitleysworld.com and look down the left hand column and you'll see under the under "Whitley's Projects," The Key is there and you can click on that and look at the rather beautiful advertising page that has been created by Louis Steiner or you can look you can simply click through the banner at the top of the page. It's all over the place on the site. And I do think ultimately that it's my great contribution to this whole field and this is what I was maybe put here to do. So be that or that kind of is. Jeffrey is a fascinating guy. He has got a book here, which as you go through it, you begin to realize that we are potentially much more than we allow ourselves to believe. It's like the analogy of a house. We have this great big beautiful amazing house that is the mind of man. And where do we live? Way down in one little corner of the basement, saying, "Nope, there's no upstairs. There are no windows. There's no outside. And, certainly, there's no starry night up there glowing above." I don't think so. And I have a feeling I've got the agreement of Jeffrey Mishlove. There's a whole great house out there. We're going to be talking about that a little bit more in just a couple minutes. This is Whitley Strieber, it's "Dreamland" and we'll be back. . . .
( . . . )
W: . . . This is Whitley Strieber, it's Dreamland, we're back with Jeffrey Mishlove and your phone calls. And we're going to go straight to the phones. Let's go to Mark in Canoga Park, C.A. (BEEP) Hi, Mark.
Q: Hello. As someone familiar with the scope of Jeffrey's work, it is troubling to hear him focus on the Premiere shows on the so-called 'PK Man.' Jeffrey, have you considered that the phenomena is better understood as evidence of a shared Superconscious Mind involved in a test of discernment and love?
J: I think that's as good an explanation as the one provided by an earlier caller who said that these are powers and principalities of evil.
W: Yeah
J: I, myself, tend to view it from a humanistic perspective and think that if (or "IF") if we get beyond all the theology and beyond all of the fear and the rhetoric, we might see Ted Owens as a human being just like us struggling with all of his might to be recognized, ("AND") having enormous frustrations and, of course, enormous powers and kind of in some ways a very childlike personality.
Q: (off the air) Well, see, I don't think he had the power himself.
W: I think (line disconnected)
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) Well I realized then that I had been terminated my call. So now let me go ahead and it didn't turn out very well when I recorded the rebroadcast so let's go ahead and tape it from the archive edition.
W: . . . I think that's much closer to the explanation of this, frankly Jeffrey, because and it interests me more than dismissing it in a way as this kind of a supernatural phenomenon or something to do with space beings that basically and apparently capriciously make decisions about whether or not to let us gain any of this power. I just have a feeling we can all do this. Let me put it that way. And, also, that we're going to need to use this for our welfare, maybe even for our survival maybe I'm wrong but I see the environment as being in a kind of terminal a tailspin. That it's about to crash and burn. Maybe I'm wrong about that but wouldn't it be possible and maybe necessary for us to be able to use this power some time in the near future? How do you react to that?
J: I'm inclined to think that it's part of both our evolutionary past and our evolutionary future. And that also, Whitley, that in native cultures and amongst the American Indians and the Africans, these kinds of powers were well understood by the shamans and were used within a tribal context for the betterment of the community.
W: When you say part of our evolutionary path, that opens up a huge line of questioning. Next week's guest is going to be Michael Cremo, who is one of the authors of Forbidden Archaeology about remarkable artifacts from the deep past. Did we have powers do you think in the past that we have lost touch with?
J: I (or "I") it would seem to me that somewhere along the course of human history we made some deliberate decisions, maybe as a result of becoming civilized, to suppress these abilities. . . . we have to be aware of our own psychic hygiene. If we want to avoid psychic attack, we have to be alert to negative thoughts that pass through ("YES") our own consciousness and learn how to negate them, to dismiss them, not to own them. ("BECAUSE") We become vulnerable when we cultivate the habit of allowing negative thought to pass through our minds as if they were our own thoughts.
W: You know, reading your book reading The P.K. Man, I came away with the feeling that it may be that the kind of climatic environment may be incredibly sensitive to human psychic activity.
J: Um-huh (or "UM-HUH"). Did you get that impression too or am I seeing something into it?
W: Well certainly Ted Owens seemed to demonstrate that over and over again but, you know, I think that the human species is in much greater jeopardy than the environment itself. . . .
Q: . . . (speaking into tape recorder) So last night I called Whitley and Jeffrey Mishlove and I'm just thinking it seems like there's something wrong here involving denial or something is amiss when it comes to God because you never hear Whitley or Jeffrey address that. At least, not on the radio. . . .
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: IN ADDITION TO SPEAKING TO JEFFREY DURING HIS PHILOSOPHICAL RESEARCH ORGANIZATION LECTURES, I'VE SENT HIM NUMEROUS EMAIL IN THE PAST.)
S: . . . Are you calling for Lawrence Gordon?
Q: Yes, I am.
S: Okay, you made it through on the wild card line and if your radio's on, just be sure to turn it down.
Q: Okay.
S: Great. Thanks for calling.
D: . . . Israeli and U.S. officials have signed an agreement to trim the $3 billion package of annual U.S. aid overall. "USA"'s John Decker has more from Washington.
J: Under this decade-long plan, Israel will see its $1.8 billion in annual military aid grow by $60 million a year to $2.4 billion in 2008. However, it will also see its $1.2 billion in civilian aid shrink by $120 billion a year down to zero in 2008. In one of his final acts, President Clinton also issued a statement, declaring that Israel should be among the first foreign customers for the Lockheed Martin F-22 Fighter, which is due in 2005. John Decker, "USA Radio News," Washington.
D: The attorney for Rae Carruth is promising an appeal of his client's guilty verdict on three of four charges in connection with the shooting of his pregnant girlfriend who died after giving birth. The former Carolina Panthers football player was found not guilty of the most serious charge of first degree murder. This is "USA Radio News." . . .
M: And we are back with you. Good to have you with us and why don't we go right to the calls for Lawrence Gordon, who's been eloquent in articulating his family's experiences with three ghosts in his home actually, two ghosts and a spirit a free-roaming spirit at that; and how he evolved to learn with his wife how to live with these ghosts. Maybe not one of his sons but certainly he and his wife have and it has been more than fascinating as we've gone along. Let's get now to your questions, comments, reactions. On the wild card line, you're on "Coast to Coast A.M." Hello. (BEEP)
Q: Good morning, Michael and Lawrence.
M: Hi.
L: Hello. ("HI")
Q: I've listened carefully to the events Mr. Gordon has described and the premises for his some of his conclusions. ("BUT")
M: Can I get your first name and where you're calling from?
Q: Oh yeah, hi, it's Mark again from Los Angeles.
M: Thanks, Mark. Go ahead.
Q: Anyway, have you considered there might be a more complex interpretation and purpose to the unseen forces being demonstrated in your home?
L: I yes, the thought has occurred to me but after having the conversations that we've had in the last fifteen years with Roger, specifically, our friendly ghost, if you will, I do not think that there are any undertones that we're not aware of. I think he is a little troubled by the fact that he is stuck where he is. I personally think he would rather go on. I think his days his endless days, if you will, of being a ghost being a spirit in this case and being stuck here, so to speak, and sort of being in-between the two worlds he has not really gone on to his world or whatever is beyond for him and he's not yet fully physically a part of this world that we live in. ("LET ME")
Q: Let me take it to another point. Do you believe there is an organizing Spirit to the universe?
L: Yes. Yes, I do.
Q: Yes? So well, anyway, I would refer you to the testament.org website for another way of interpreting the events.
L: I think that everyone has their own interpretation of things. I think that religious interpretations are fine for those who wish to utilize those. There are many different religions in the world, whether it be a person is a Baptist, a Methodist; whether they be Jewish or Catholic or whether they be Buddhist or Confucian. You pick it there are many, many various viewpoints out there. No one is to say what's right and what's wrong. In this country today, again, there are approximately 35% of the population that have a belief system that allows for ghosts. There has to be a reason for that. There's too much activity that can be documented to dissuade or discard that idea. To simply fall back on religious beliefs, to fall back on the Bible, if you will, to me is a way out that really does not confront the issues or try to deal with them. Everybody has their belief systems. I do not condemn your belief systems or anyone else. I have mine.
M: First-time caller line, you're on "Coast to Coast A. M." Hello. . . .
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) Well I never get to speak very much. But I think If I could've spoken more, I would've tried to have him expand his perceptions out a little bit further to encompass more than some of the sources that he has used. For example, he might look at the synchronicity involved in names of his family. For example, his wife's maiden name, her middle name. The bumper music on the show could also be taken, for example, into consideration. I heard The Cranberries ("WI[TH] SOME") lyrics that they feature quite often on the show. Some very disturbing lyrics. And then there's also the music from the play "Chess." I remember Art Bell used to feature Abba so there's something a parallel there, perhaps. The show keeps introducing itself as "the kingdom of the dark" and "We worship the dark." So certainly Mr. Gordon tonight is fulfilling this theme. Looking at the dark side rather than at the light.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I CONTINUE RECORDING THE LIVE BROADCAST AND THE BUMPER MUSIC IS "TUBULAR BELLS" BY MIKE OLDFIELD.)
M: We thought we'd bring you the darker side. The demons. Possession. Not like the friendly
ghosts you're hearing about from Mr. Gordon but that, of course, from "The Exorcist." Let's go
to the first time caller line. You're on "Coast to Coast A.M." Hello. . . .
Good god you said
Is that the only thing you care about
Splitting up the money
And share it out . . .
(Bumper music is "Never Stop" performed by Echo and the Bunnymen.)
R: Stay tuned for more from the kingdom of darkness with Mike Siegel on "Coast to Coast A.M." This is the Premiere Radio Networks.
Q: I think that says it all.
( . . . )
Q: The rebroadcast.
Q: (broadcast) ("LET ME") Let me take it to another point. Do you believe there is an organizing Spirit to the universe?
L: (broadcast) Yes. Yes, I do.
Q: (broadcast) Yes? So well, anyway, I would refer you to the testament.org website for another way of interpreting the events.
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) So that was what I said before being disconnected. So now let's
go the archives of the show. There were some excerpts before and after my call that I thought
would be interesting to share. Well here's the first bumper music after the first hour.
. . . More than this tell me one thing
More than this there is nothing . . .
(Bumper music is "More Than This" performed by Roxy Music)
Q: They tend to use the same songs over and over again. You could barely hear it that time but for each one of these that I present, I must've heard them at least several times.
( . . . )
Q: Well here's the bumper music for the next half hour.
. . . don't let it fade
I'm sure I'm not being rude
But it's just your attitude
It's tearing me apart
It's ruining everything . . .
(Bumper music is "Linger" performed by The Cranberries)
Q: So now it's time to hear how my call sounds on the archives . . . Well they didn't cut out the
website address this time unlike the last several times when I said it so that's a change. So now
we'll (or "WE'LL") go and see one of the interesting questions after the next commercial break.
I was born in the wagon of a travelin' show
My mama used to dance for the money they'd throw
Papa would do whatever he could
Preach a little gospel, sell a couple bottles of Dr. Good
Gypsies, tramps and thieves
We'd hear from the people of the town
They'd call us gypsies, tramps and thieves
But every night all the men would come around
And lay their money down . . .
(Bumper music is "Gypsies Tramps and Thieves" performed by Cher)
Q: Well the quality of the archive isn't very good so I've been taping over the rebroadcast so I think I'll go back to that for the next portion. I wish I could afford a new radio and I guess I'll miss some of these bumper music selections after Art returns, if I even listen which I haven't really decided about yet. I'll probably give him a chance and see how I feel. So, anyway, let's go back to what I recorded during the rebroadcast.
M: . . . Let us go to the Electronic Voice Phenomena. Fellow says, "Dear Mike, has Lawrence ever tried to record the ghost in the house on a tape recorder." And he's got a reprint of the International Ghost Hunters Society saying that they've been a pioneer and leader in the EVP development for ghost hunting, which is Electronic Voice Phenomena for ghost hunting community since '96. And Electronic Voice Phenomena is a process whereby the voice or voice of the dead are imbedded onto magnetic recording tape by a process that we do not understand. Have you tried that?
L: I've had it happen. There was an interview that I did on a station in, I'm doing this from memory, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida I believe it was, during which time the interview was I think it was ABC Radio Network, 115 stations. They performed the interview. It was taped. It was played on a tape delay basis the next day. During the middle of the interview on the tape delayed basis the next day, they began hearing the voices of a man in the background that could not be accounted for in any other fashion because when I do these interviews there are no TVs, no radios on in the house. It's as dead quiet as we can get it. They didn't have any going on, on the other end but they knew the building that they were in was haunted already the radio station. And when it came to light that that voice was in the background, it startled everybody. Matter of fact, I got to hear the tape. We have also in this particular case the Ghost Hunter Society, by the way . . . I joined a few years ago. But the bottom line is that here in this house we have video taped one seance in particular in which we did capture an image on tape of a shadow crossing the field of vision screen the video camera. And when you play it back, you can literally see this image cross the screen and lurch at the young woman who is doing the seance who is going into a psychic trance to allow Roger to speak through her. And at that time her voice did change and she was speaking with a different male sort of masculine voice. And you could see the transition take place on film.
M: Incredible. Absolutely incredible. And that radio was that WFTL Radio, by any chance?
L: I believe it was. It was in South Florida. It's been about a year ago when that happened. They asked me if I would come down and investigate the building as a matter of fact along with my wife and we intend to do that. It's just I've been very busy lately.
M: I once worked at that radio station. That's why I asked.
( . . . )
L: . . . to an area that I will explain in this manner. Roger has told us emphatically that he is waiting to be reincarnated. I know that that opens a lot of worms can of worms. And a lot of people may take offense of that based on their religious beliefs and so forth but he tells us he's waiting to be reincarnated and he feels he will come back again at one day in the future and be given an opportunity to try it all over again.
( . . . )
Q: So he did mention Tinkerbell when answering another question.
( . . . )
M: . . . Let's go to the west of the Rockies line and you're on "Coast to Coast A.M." Hello.
W: Hello?
M: Yes sir.
W: My name is John. I'm a writer. I'm a blind writer so I always have tape recorders near me. And March about two years ago I got up to go to the bathroom. I'm all by myself. I come back and my tape recorder's going. I shut it off and then "Wait a minute. Something's wrong here." So I played it back and there were two people speaking to each other and not to me because I was asleep. I recognized my mother's voice. She's been dead seventeen years. I recognized her voice immediately and all she said was, "JOHNNY." I know my mama but the guy I couldn't figure out who it was so then I got on my computer here about six months ago because I couldn't find my father's phone number so I got an uncle of mine in Louisiana and he died on the month that tape recorder just popped on. And it was my father. It's just a plain old tape recorder that I use to write my books and then I transcribe to computer. I've had strange, you know, things happen before but this one here (small laugh) really got me. And I made copies of it and copies of it. I don't know really what to do with it. I'm just going to keep it. You know, I'm not going to worry about it.
M: Lawrence, what do you think? Thank you, sir. . . . Walter is back with us on a cellphone at Mount Rainier, Washington. Walter, go right ahead.
W: (reception problems with this call during broadcast) Oh my God. So I . . . (called?) back. Yeah, I've had problems with ghosts ever since . . . in the mirror. . . mirror and I was talking to spirits. And they seemed to be they were extremely intelligent and they were able to foresee things. And like the guy was saying they were very dangerous. And I start . . . caller. Now this isn't religious but something with the powers of . . . when we think of God or a spirit of God. And then things start changing. And I've been working with the spirit but I (or "BUT I") . . . Jesus. And I was wondering . . . like the community of the Holy Spirit. People have . . .
M: I think you're cutting out again so I don't know what we can do about that except, Lawrence, if you want to respond about the relationships between ghosts and spiritual or religious beliefs, briefly feel free to do that.
L: It is my opinion that a lot of people because of their religious beliefs will not allow for the possibility of ghosts or spirits because many people think that when you pass away you either go to heaven or you go somewhere else. There are those other people who have the point of view that when you pass away, that is absolutely it. The end of the line. The end of the sentence. You've dotted the last, no (or "NO"), I and crossed the last T and it's all over with.
( . . . )
Q: Well there was an interesting "no" in the middle of a sentence. In this case, the spirit message sounded very much like the guest. Well this was an interesting combination of calls toward the end of the program.
M: . . . First time caller line, hi, you're on "Coast to Coast A.M."
C: Hello. I'm calling from Kitchener, Ontario, Canada.
M: First name?
C: I've had experiences with both
M: Can I get your first name?
C: Carl from Kitchen, Ontario, Canada.
M: Carl. Go right ahead.
C: I've had experiences with both ghosts . . . (re)member doors flying open and a kitchen table which made a really loud ruckus. It was an old-style . . . and it just made loud noises. When a friend of my mother's died . . . but I just wanted to say that my faith in Jesus Christ like my faith overcome these sort of things. Like other experiences too which I won't mention.
M: Okay, I appreciate that and I thank you very much as we move to the west of the Rockies line. You're on "Coast to Coast A.M." Hello. West of the Rockies, hello?
B: Hi.
M: Hi.
B: Yes, this is Mable.
M: From where are you calling, Mable?
B: California.
M: Go right ahead.
B: Yes. I have a ghost well I don't know if it I guess it is because she's dead so I suppose you could call her a ghost that comes to visit every once in a while and she only comes at night and not every . . .
( . . . )
Q: So it's February 24th. I'm listening to "Dreamland" and Whitley's got his own Angel Michael book out now apparently called "The Key." His guest for this show just talked about meeting an Archangelwho she thinks may have been named Michaelat a hotel much like Whitley did. And Whitley also has pictures of his cabin on his website and it does have weatherboarding, I might add. So it's quite a situation. What next from Whitley? I mean what did he think when he received my book with the special prepared excerpts page?
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: THE FOLLOWING IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE LAST "COAST TO COAST A.M." BROADCAST HOSTED BY MIKE SIEGEL.)
D: Hi, Mike. It's Dave calling from Scranton, Pennsylvania.
M: Hello Dave.
D: You know, I want to say you're really going to be missed. My grandmother and I enjoy listening to you on the radio and you gave Art Bell a real run for his money. You did a really fine job ("NO") being there each night.
M: Well that actually wasn't the intent and I say take that in a positive way because the intent was and as I said to him I was going to try to be a good foster parent for the program, to maintain it so that in the end in the situation that occurred now that he is coming back he would have his program in place. And I was very glad to find that he . . .
D: Well you certainly did that. ("NO") May I I didn't hear the whole show, what do you and Vanna have in store for the future?
M: Well I'm in conversations at the moment and I was told earlier that by Alan (Corbeth), who's the senior vice president for this program that there will be when I'm resolved and settled, this program will let you all know that. . . .
A: West of (BEEP) the Rockies, you're on the air. Hello.
Q: Hi, Art. I wanted to follow up that previous caller talking about spirit/human communication because I believe it's already happening. And, of course, Electr(on)ic Voice Phenomena is what it's called.
A: I know all about that but is this part of a prediction because this is a prediction show.
Q: Yes, it is. I'm predicting that people will become aware about Electronic Voice Phenomena this year. Broadcasting technology allows this phenomena as does tape recording, which is a magnetic medium. In fact, on your show on Monday night, I taped the UFO witnesses, Chris and Mark and Denise, andespecially with Chris and MarkI heard many, many cases of the message "NO" being repeatedly heard.
A: Really?
Q: Yeah, I went to the archives and made about a three minute tape of many different EVPs of "NO." I could even play it now for you, if you like.
A: No, that's alright. I believe you. A "no" where there should not have been a "no," you mean?
Q: Right. If you in fact, I hear it quite often on "Coast to Coast A.M." If you really listen carefully when someone's making a statement, overlapping their word ("YOU") you you can hear a "NO." Sometimes there are other words too but the "NO"s are especially obvious.
A: I wonder if this were Russian talk radio if it would be "NYET."
Q: Who knows? I don't listen to Russian talk radio. But, of course, the famous people in the field include Thomas Edison, Konstantine Raudive, Friedrich Jurgenson, and John C. Lilly.
A: Oh yes. Well I'm going to continue to pursue the topic so hang in there. It should be an interesting (call terminated and I began recording the broadcast) year for you. It is a little odd, don't you all think, that all of a sudden we're getting all of these guests and interest and people calling about communication with the dead? Hmm. I mean they say it's one of those veils that's getting ready to fall and now all of a sudden all the interest. Go figure. First time caller line, you're on the air. Hello. Hello? Going once. Going twice. Gone. Wild card line, you're on the air. Good morning.
R: Hi, Art. This is Raymond from Michigan. . . .
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) ("L") If Art hadn't hung up on me so quickly, I might've managed to get in my website address even though I thought maybe he might've become more sympathetic toward me over the years but he still seems pretty frightened. Anyway, I might've talked about Thomas Edison's "valve" for spirit communication. He obviously had some experience even though it's hard to ascertain from his diary. And, of course, I could've explained about Latvian engineer Konstantine Raudive and Friedrich Jurgenson which I've commented (about) on the air before. ("NOW") Where John C. Lilly is concerned, he wrote in The Centre of the Cyclone that "If one listens to a tape loop of a repeated word for fifteen minutes, one may hear as many as thirty different words other than the one which is on the tape loop." So that's a different form of or a different aspect of the phenomena. If I was a guest on Art's show, I could also talk about unattributed sounds. In fact, I heard one very definite one during Peter Davenport's speech which I included on my three minutes and fifteen seconds of recorded material from the Monday night show. And I'll have that on the next tape. And Marconi. "In 1920, Guglielmo Marconi himself declared that a number of incoherent signals he was intercepting repeated the letter Sthree dots in Morse codewith puzzling frequency. But by 1924, the Martians has apparently transferred their affections to the letter G (four dots). In 1932, Karl Gunther Jansky, founder of radio astronomy, chilled this enthusiasm by demonstrating that such signals came from unidentified galactic sources in points far more remote than Mars." This I'm reading from a part of The Search For Intelligent Life In Outer Space by Alfred Roulet, who began by saying, "At the end of World War I, the number of radio receivers in operation suddenly multiplied, and numerous hams, including men of astute intelligence, convinced themselves that they were regularly tuning in messages from Mars." I'll leave you to consider what deductions can be made from all of this. I read on some Internet newsgroup at some point that audible clicking was distressing Art Bell on one of his broadcasts.
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) . . . I'm going to have to try to call because I want to play my tape of EVP. I managed to cut it down to less than forty-five seconds with nine good cases of the "NO" so I've decided that I'm going to try to get through and if it's meant to be it'll happen . . .
S: Thank you for calling "Coast to Coast A.M." Please hold. (Broadcast is heard for about a minute.) Thanks for calling "Coast to Coast A.M." Can I get your first name please?
Q: Yes, it's Mark.
S: Where are you calling from, Mark?
Q: Canoga Park in California.
S: Can you spell that for me?
Q: C A N O G A. P A R K.
S: Alright. You're on the West of the Rockies line. When you hear that brought up, that means you're on the air. Okay?
Q: Great.
S: And if I can get you to turn off your radio?
Q: It's off.
S: Okay.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: IAN SPENT THE FIRST HALF HOUR DISCUSSING EMAIL AND NEWS
ITEMS. I HADN'T HEARD THE FOLLOWING SONG USED AS BUMPER MUSIC FOR THE SHOW
BEFORE. PRIOR TO MY CALL, PORTIONS OF TAPE WERE RECORDED AT THE CUSTOMIZED SLOW
SPEED, MAKING SPIRIT MESSAGES/EVP HARDER TO DISTINGUISH DURING THESE PARTS.)
. . . You thought you found a friend to take you out of this place
Someone you can lend a hand in return for grace
It's a beautiful day . . .
("Beautiful Day" performed by U2)
( . . . )
. . . Honey how you've grown
Like a rose
Well we used to play
When we were three
How about a kiss for your cousin Dupree
How about a kiss for your cousin Dupree
She turned my life into a living hell
In those little tops and tight capris
I pretended to be readin' the National Probe
As I was watchin' her wax her skis . . .
("Cousin Dupree" performed by Steely Dan)
I: The track you're hearing is one from the new Steely Dan album which oh, it's "Two Against Nature" I think it's called. I've got the album at home but it's just it's a great album. It's just something you're not going to hear on most radio stations. I'm glad we're playing it. It's selling really well but it's selling almost entirely because of the TV commercials for the album. There are so many Steely Dan fans out there but the album doesn't necessarily fit in well with some of the formats. It's just really a pity. It's a great album. And we've got open lines as we always do on this show. I always ask you to just be original, be creative, put your most important point up front so it's not the last of the nine you want to get to, in case we don't get to them all. And, remember, there is no such word as 'irregardless.' First time caller line Ray is in Burgesville no, I'm sorry, Burgesstown, Pennsylvania on "Coast to Coast A.M." Ray, you can pick up on any of the stories you mentioned or bring up any of your own. Where are you going to take us on open lines?
R: Okay. How are you doing, Ian? This is my first time calling and I enjoy your show.
I: Thank you.
R: And my question is it's from time to time have different shows on about the end times. Okay? Now what I want to get to is the last dictator. Okay? The man who's supposed to rule the world before the end (or "THE END") before the seven years period. Okay? Now I've heard from before that he's supposedly is already born and at an age ready to take power. Do you happen to know like who he may be? Like could he be Saddam Hussein or could he be this that guy from Spain, Juan Carlos?
I: I don't think it's Juan Carlos who ("NO") actually has very little political power. I mean ("A") he has some authority but like many other monarchies in Europe I don't see him as being as anywhere near the kind of dictator that others have. I was interested to hear his name come up though on some other shows. End times ("KIND OF") different depending on which culture you're talking about, which religious affiliation if you're talking about the book of Daniel, the ancient Hebrew apocalyptic literature or are you going to be talking about Revelation? If you go by Revelation, the idea is actually that we'll see a lot of false leaders that appear to be good and I think that would preclude somebody like Saddam Hussein who doesn't appear to be good to many. So no, I don't spend a lot of time trying to figure out who is the
R: Antichrist.
I: No. No. And, in fact, I'll point this out to you, Ray. Just for the sake of argument just (or "JUST") let me through this out to you.
R: Okay.
I: Most of the time the words antichrist are mentioned in the New Testament, which is the only place in the Christian New Testament.
R: Okay.
I: It's mentioned in the plural and the times when it's used most specifically it's in a discussion of people who are already of the faith. That 'antichrist' has taken on this kind of mythic proportion from a lot of interpretive work done with Revelation ("BUT") really if you (or "IF YOU") if you actually did a word search on the word itself you'd find more often people ("WHO") are within the faith such as I believe in third John, off the top of my head, I believe is where there are specific references. And it actually is just talking about people who are not doing the religion right. And so they're called antichrists. It didn't mean that they were eternally evil or that they were affiliated with Satan, which is how we use the term almost always now but rather that they were getting it wrong. And that they were holding back the church. But not that there was, you know (or "YOU KNOW"), necessarily eternal damnation for them. Just something to think about and appreciate the comment. On the wild card line, Paul in Beloit, Wisconsin where several of my friends went to college on "Coast to Coast A.M." Paul?
P: Hello, Ian. It isn't every day I get to talk to a 33 Mason, huh?
I: Me? Oh now I
P: (laughs)
I: Oh now I you're right. Because of last week. That's right. (small laugh) I'm waiting for it. It's coming. Where I'll see my name in a book listed as a 33 Mason. Paul . . .
P: The those last two earthquakes that they had in India. I had a couple of signs before each earthquake had occurred. And the first one I was the day before the earthquake happened I was reading from a book called Alternate Warriors and there was a short story in there called "Because Thou Loveth The Burning Earth." And the only reason that I feel it was a sign was because it mentioned a goddess warrior by the name of Kali and I didn't think much of it. The story was about India. Then before the second earthquake I was listening to a song. I had just picked it up at random ("AT") at a like a dollar store. And the song was called "Burning Time" and it brought up this Kali. And it's a very powerful song. It has a lot of power and you'd almost have to hear it to understand what I'm talking about.
I: Very int(eresting) well I'd like to. And if you want to send a message along punnett@mindspring.com I'd love to hear more about that.
P: Okay.
I: And I think and I appreciate the comment, Paul. ("HH") Ii it reminds me, since we had mentioned several of the earthquakes earlier in the hour the Big Bear Lake earthquake from today and the predictions by others that more earthquakes are coming. That I am reminded almost weekly of the prediction on this show just before New Year from those several (or "SEVERAL") from two or three different sources, two or three different positions that the year 2001 was going to be the year of the earthquake. ("THAT") 2000 was the year of the volcano and that this year would be the year of the earthquake. And that there would be an extraordinary high death toll. And that there would be a higher than average number of earthquakes themselves. But that the earthquakes themselves, whether there were more of them wasn't so much the question. It was the devastation of them and so far I mean here we are not even two weeks into February completely and we're already seeing the evidence of that, the echoes if you will the aftershocks of those comments. West of the Rockies Mark in Canoga Park, (BEEP) California on "Coast to Coast A.M." Mark?
Q: Good morning, Ian.
I: Did you feel anything from the earthquake?
Q: No.
I: Kind of a ways away, I guess.
Q: I made the mistake of going out to lunch.
I: Oh. (small laugh)
Q: And I always get sick when I go to restaurants. But, anyway, listening Monday to the second pair of UFO witnesses, Chris and Mark did you hear them?
I: No, I didn't.
Q: Well there were many instances of Electronic Voice Phenomena/spirit messages. I finally found a way to help others recognize them. What I did is I recorded ten of these from the archive show on audio tape less than forty-five seconds in length to show people what they sound like for future recognition. So listen carefully.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I HELD MY TAPE RECORDED TO THE TELEPHONE MOUTHPIECE. DURING THIS TIME, I WASN'T ABLE TO LISTEN TO THE RECEIVER AND WASN'T AWARE THAT THE SOUND QUALITY WASN'T GOOD FOR RADIO LISTENERS. MYSTERIOUSLY IN AN INEXPLICABLE CHANGE TO THE SOURCE TAPE, THE FIRST CLIP AS BROADCAST SOUNDS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I PLAYED. THE FIRST CLIP SHOULD HAVE BEEN: ". . . ON THE HILLSIDE LOOKING ["NO"] LIKE AN ANIMAL OR . . .")
C: (clip) . . . ([new EVP: "ON FRIDAY THE FOURTEEN"] "NO") like an animal or . . . (new EVP: "LIKE")
I: Thank you, Mark
C: (clip) . . . make sure that I was ("NO") correct and . . .
I: I don't know that we can hear it very well.
C: (clip) ". . . guys, you got to get out here." And ("NO") when he said that . . .
C: (clip) . . . tied up right there too. And ("NO") it wasn't like . . .
C: (clip) . . . grabbing a weapon or anything to ("NO") fight off a bear . . .
I: (faint) Can we get that up louder?
C: (clip) . . . know what I was looking at but ("NO") I didn't have . . .
C: (clip) . . . (ma)chined piece of metal ("NO") you could see . . .
C: (clip) . . . probably be a more threatening ("NO") position . . .
C: (clip) . . . craft I've never seen or don't know of. ("NO") I . . .
A: (clip) . . . And if they're not American, we need defense.
C: (clip) No, after you . . .
Q: So, anyway, I just taped that from the archive edition. It sounds very much just like normal speech. ("BUT" "IT'S") The tonality is different on some of them. Of course, a few people will say, "Well people are saying 'you know.'" But if you really listen carefully, they're not at all. That last one did sound very similar to the voice of the individual who was being interviewed at the time. And, having studied this phenomena for a while now, I I do see a correlative phenomenon in which people speak sometimes when people speak ("AND THEM") sometimes when they say spiritual truths ("THEY'LL") say "no" in the middle of a sentence without even realizing it. It's something that I've been able to observe.
I: You're saying that they're not really saying "you know" as in sort of a vocal tick but rather they're saying "no" involuntarily in the middle of a sentence?
Q: Right. ("WW") But that's not what I ("YEAH") for the EVP I just played, the tone is different. But in some cases they do, do this as well so that's why it makes it very hard to differentiate.
I: Well just so I understand your full point so are you saying that then there are two different voices that are similar sounding but are actually different in origin?
Q: That's right. You have the EVP phenomenon which you hear a lot on "Coast to Coast A.M." ("MIN[D]") I always remind people of ("WW") when Whitley Strieber played his famous message of "CAN YOU HEAR ME?" And, of course, he ended up saying the exact same thing that time that he went on with Mike and they had that technical glitch, which I thought was very curious. But in these samples there were all through those interviews with Chris and Mark you could hear "NO"s and some of them were very different in tonality. And there might've been a few ("OF THE") of them themselves saying "you know" but this wasn't at all what was going on, speaking from experience.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: WHAT I MEANT HERE WAS THAT THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN A FEW INSTANCES OF CHRIS AND MARK SAYING "YOU KNOW" DURING THE INTERVIEW YET THIS WASN'T THE CASE WITH THE CLIPS I PLAYED.)
I: Right.
Q: Um (unattributed sound like a bark followed by "TT" or hard to hear EVP word)
I: I appreciate that. I appreciate that, Mark. I I that (call terminated) . . .
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) So I tried to record from the broadcast after I was disconnected but the reception was very, very bad so now I'm going to tape my call and what followed from the archive. . . .
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: THERE WAS NO AUDIBILITY PROBLEM WITH THE EARLY PORTION OF CLIPS ON THE ARCHIVE EDITION WITH THE FOLLOWING DIFFERENCE TO WHAT I RECORDED DURING THE BROADCAST.)
C: (clip) . . . ([new EVP: "ON FRIDAY THE FOURTEEN" "IT"] "NO") like an animal or . . . (new EVP: "LIKE")
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: AS CUSTOMARY WITH SOME EVP WHERE THERE IS SOME RESEMBLANCE TO A PARTICIPANT'S VOICE HEARD IN THE CONVERSATION BEING RECORDED OR BROADCAST , IN THIS INSTANCE "LIKE" SOUNDS CLOSER IN TONALITY TO IAN'S VOICE THAN TO MY VOICE OR THE CLIPS OF THE TWO UFO WITNESSES. THE FOLLOWING WAS RECORDED FROM THE ARCHIVE EDITION OF THE BROADCAST.)
I: I appreciate that. I appreciate that, Mark. I I that sounds like something that would need a lot more time than I can give it here on open lines but I would be curious to hear of any other observations you make in the future. Lets go east of the Rockies for our last round of before we take a break. David in Columbia, South Carolina, on open lines on "Coast to Coast A.M." David, where are you taking us?
D: Basically I was just looking forward to hearing from your guest later on. I've read somewhere I can't remember exactly where it was. I believe it's the Sumerian calendar that actually points to a planet called the dark planet or planet of devils. And it seems like we blew some astronomical things that I've seen where there has been an object detected moving in our direction that is the size of a very large planetary body. They don't know what it is. I'm curious to see if this man can shed some light on it; (if) he's going to be able to show I called last night to Art Bell's third one. I get hearing tones in my ears and I had one of them at 11:30 on Thursday the eighth. And it's usually twenty-four or seventy-two hours afterwards something'll happen. I'm trying to get down to where hemispheres and thing. . . so I'm starting to wonder if there is some correlation between it . . . start to . . . (ding?) right before on his show and kind of start believing maybe something to do with the hear tone thing that's going on with me.
I: Right. We mentioned this once before, David, that you're able to kind of hear these calamities before they happen. I appreciate the comment and I will ask about the planet of devils. It does sound like something that would easily fall within the larger panoply of subjects of Dr. William Gaspar who has been working on unified theories of end times for a while. The Celestial Clockis his book and it is his study. He is a medical doctor by trade but has been correlating this information for a long time and wants to back up the predictions of the Mayan calendar with some reflections on some earthly events that have been happening and ones which we might not have noticed because the ticking of the celestial clock just might've been a little too faint for most of us to hear coming up on "Coast to Coast A.M." My name's Ian Punnett. (commercials are followed by Limp Bizkit music) It's pretty subdued for Limp Bizkit. No. I'm kind of fond of them but Bizkit's are a lot louder than that usually. Planet of devils just one of the many things that we'll ask our guest, Dr. William Gaspar, coming up after the top of the hour on "Coast to Coast A.M." . . .
A: Thank you for listening to KFI-A.M. 640. More stimulating talk radio. This is "The Jesus Christ Show." If you have a question or a comment for Jesus Christ, your numbers to call are in Los Angeles county (gives number); outside of Los Angeles county the number to dial (gives number). Here he is. Once again risen is Jesus Christ.
J: If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels but do not have love, I've become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal; and if I have the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing. And I gi(ve) if I give all of my possessions to feed the poor and if I deliver my body to be burned but do not have love; it profiteth me nothing; love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous. Love does not brag and it is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly. It does not seek its own. It is not provoked and it does not take into account a wrongful suffer, does not rejoice in unrighteousness but rejoices in the truth, bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away. There are tongues they will cease. If there is knowledge, it will be done away for we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, think as a child, reason as a child. When I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly but then face to face. Now I know in part but then I shall know fully just as I also have been fully known. But now abide faith, hope, love. These three. But the greatest of these is love. Just days away from Valentine's Day and, regardless of where you fall on this particularas it's so-calledholiday; and where you fall in your relationships, everyone receives and gives love. Everyone. And I'm excited to talk to you tonight about love and I'm with you every single Monday night nine to ten here on KFI to talk to you about things that maybe you look over, maybe you come across in your daily life, and maybe you even experience them but you're not sure exactly what you're experiencing. Love is one of those things that is talked about daily, that is experienced in one way or another daily but very rarely truly understood. Now we know that people for centuries have talked about love. Poets have written about love. Singers have sang about love. Philosophers still to this day will debate the concept of love and what love is. The definition of love is stretched from end to end. You have some people saying that it is warm puppies or the love of an animal and the unconditional response that an animal gives you when you get home. And others will say that it is just merely the heated flush of sexual attraction. But these things are only in part of what true love is. And it's so funny that this is a word that is used so often. It's almost become just a simple greeting or a simple thought when exiting: "I love you" or "It's good to see you. I love you. I miss you." These things often are said to such a degree that they get lukewarm or watered down. But love is an amazing thing. It's something my Father and I instill in you so that you can experience just a piece of how we feel about you, our creation. Just a tiny piece of what fills us when we think of you. To love is a direct attribute of your God. Did you know that? That your desire to love and to be loved comes directly from me and my Father; that to have that desire comes directly from me and my father. Now you'll never be turned down from your God. Your God will always love you. Now do not confuse love with being unjust. Your God is still filled with justice and must judge things that you do but never, ever to the point where God stops loving you. But there's many different types of love and experiences that go along with love that need to be understood. As I read from first Corinthians thirteen I guarantee a scripture that you've heard many a time as you sit in a church pew or on a lawn somewhere or some beautiful setting as a friend or family member is getting married. And often they'll start in verse four where they say, "Love is patient. Love is kind." And isn't it amazing as you go down this laundry list of what love is; and how lengthy it is; and how there are times where in scripture love is talked about in its simplicity. Like in John where it says, "God is love. Love is of God and God is love." That's its most pure nature. None of it you can't experience any of it unless I gave it to you to experience. Even between one another. But as you break it down, it is so many different things. Yes, it is patient. It is kind. It's not jealous. It doesn't brag. And it's not arrogant. And as you go down these checklists of sorts, does it make you think about the way you love or how you love people or why you say you love them and what you mean when you say you love them? Because in two days all across the United States people will be exchanging gifts and cards and sentiment about love. How they feel about somebody. How they hope that person feels about them. Many of your kids will be requested by the school to bring in valentines to pass out to the entirety of the school. And that they will expect to receive them the same way, not knowing the children obviously not knowing as to what they're partaking in. They're simply partaking in something fun, kind of like Halloween in their eyes where they're giving and getting. And that teaches a small lesson that in love is very much a two-way street. It is has to be participated in by both halves. But there's a lot of myths and beliefs when it comes to love as to your one true love. Is there one person out there for you? Is love something that knocks you on your tail? Is it something that woos you? Is it something that you know when you see it that you can taste it when you come across it? Or is it something that you grow into? Love is definitely a decision. It's a point in time where you decide, you look over and you weigh things and you look through them and you make the decision that this person, this individual is worth my affection. They're worth my time and they're worth my love. And there are times where it's familiarity there are times where your love is something that has come into blossom. It is something that has been nurtured through a period of time and therefore becoming stronger. And I ask you what is love? (bumper music is Carl Orff's "Carmina Burana.")
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A: Once again if you'd like to speak to Jesus, now is your opportunity to get in. If you call now and hang on, Jesus will get to you. The numbers: in Los Angels county (gives number); outside of Los Angeles county (gives number). Here once again . . . (music drowns out name)
J: I adjure you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if you find my beloved as to what you will tell him for I am lovesick. What kind of beloved is your beloved? O most beautiful among women, what kind of beloved is your most beloved that does you adjure us? My beloved is dazzling and ruddy. Outstanding among ten thousand. His head is like gold, pure gold. His locks are like clusters of dates and black as a raven. His eyes are like doves beside streams of water bathed in milk and reposed in their setting. His cheeks are like a bed of balsam, banks of sweet scented herbs. His lips are lilies dripping with liquid myrrh. His hands are rods of gold set with barrel. His abdomen is carved ivory, inlaid with sapphires. His legs are pillars of alabaster set on pedestals of pure gold. His appearance is like Lebanon, choice as the cedars. His mouth is full of sweetness and he is wholly desirable. This is my beloved and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem. It's from the song of Solomon in scripture and probably one of the sweetest and most loving of books throughout scripture dealing with the love of a man between he and a woman. And a talking of their relationship and quite sensual and most definitely rooted in love in the words that they use for one another. And just days before you all will celebrate what you refer to as St. Valentine's Day I want you to think. I want you to think about love. Now nobody but me could get away with that without it sounding overly corny but I tell you this that from love all things flow. Everything in which you experience is a derivative of my love for you. Simply the desire my Father and I had and have to be with you, to spend time with you, for you to spend time with us comes from this love. Now love is many different things. Love comes in many different shapes and even throughout scripture love is described differently. There are different ways to describe love based on the words used. There are some that talk about physical love, the Greek word eros which is where you get the English word erotic. But this comes from a physical love and I know that may have come it has taken on some nasty connotations in the modern world. There's family love and this is dealing with the love that you would have towards a brother or a family member. There's affectionate love and this is interesting and something for you to remember. ("WE") This comes from a Greek word philia and this is where you get the modern name for Philadelphia. And, of course, Philadelphia being the what? The city of brotherly love. So many of the words that describe loveeven in scripture, even from the old languagesdescribe it differently for the different aspects of what that love is or what that love brings different people. And there's ways to love people that you don't necessarily like or care for much but you have love for them, you have appreciation for who they are and what they are as human beings. There's also very special love and this is something you might hear if you're a Christian or something and you're going to church you'll hear this quite a bit is the word agape. Agape love or what some call perfect love or divine love, which is kind of a misrepresentation because it's not just merely God's love towards you but your love towards God as well. And it's a very important word. Each one of these describes a very different aspect of how you interact with others and how people interact with you. The Bible talks quite a bit about love and, as I said, although it describes love as many things when it's pulling it apart and letting you see it and dissecting it before your face, it's simply God is love. And it sounds like a bumper sticker and it sounds like something from the '60s and '70s. And it sounds like something that is said ("ICK") with an expectation of understanding that you just must understand what God and love is in that God is love and that you're supposed to swallow it as if it's a pill and just understand it. But that's to mean that everything that you are experiencing feeling when you desire somebody or their company or you well up inside. And you know those moments. When there's somebody in your life that you care for so deeply that you feel that you well up inside your heart in the desire to be with them to merely talk to them or be in their presence. But that is just a tiny taste of my love for you. There are over eleven descriptions of love in scripture. There are also ten things that it's talked about in scripture that says cannot separate you from the love of God specifically. These things are death, life even, angels and powers these things cannot separate you, things that are present, things that are not present but are yet to come, height, depth, no other creature. None of these things can separate you from my love. There are at least nine things in scripture that talk about what love actually does and I'll get to those when we return.
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H: How about things like the fat gene? The bald gene? ("NO") Do those exist?
C: Well yes, there are you know, there are obviously
H: Because I have both.
C: (laughs)
H: And I'm not particularly happy about it.
A: Bill Handel.
P: I don't think there's any great cure for us except for getting some more exercise and liking the way we look.
H: Yeah, that's pretty depressing.
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S: It's a first for NASA or anybody for that matter the landing of a spacecraft on an asteroid. NASA administrator Dan Goldin called the rendezvous bold, courageous, brilliant. Interestingly, the asteroid that it landed on just before Valentine's Day is called Eros. Shuttle astronauts make an improvement to the space station.
B: Check it out. Now we're going to move away . . . Check out their new window shutter.
S: Space walker Bob Kirby. And the outside window shutter will protect a porthole from pesky space debris. Another pesky computer virus is out there in cyberspace. It comes in the guise of an electronic photo of teenage tennis star Anna Kournikova. The virus has been overwhelming Email servers throughout Europe and North America. It spreads itself through the Microsoft Outlook Email program. And a federal appeals court up in San Francisco said today that Napster users cannot share copyrighted music. CEO Hank Barry responds.
N: We were going to again state that we intend to make payments to artists, song writers and other rights holders yet the largest and most successful media companies in the world have taken aim at our more-than-fifty million users and today they've landed a blow.
S: He says Napster does not agree that its users are guilty of copyright infringement. He adds the music sharing website will appeal the ruling. Southland weather from KFI. In just half an hour, the flood watch kicks in for most of the Southland. It'll be with us through Tuesday. Rain heavy at times overnight. Chance of thunderstorms as well through tomorrow. Overnight low temperatures in the mid to upper 40s. Getting out into the mid-50s tomorrow. It's 48 right now in Los Angeles. KFI is the talk station that does live local news on the hour, on the half, when it breaks. At 9:33. I'm Susanne Whatley in the KFI news center. (a traffic report is followed by grandiose orchestral bumper music)
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J: Thank you, Michael. I want to tell you and talk to you more about love coming up in just a couple moments. I do want to encourage you to call as always with any of your questions or thoughts or comments because I always enjoy speaking to you and, as Michael will tell you later, there are different ways for you to contact me, including Email and I appreciate all that you send me. And I answer them in due time. Let's go to the phones now and let's talk to Robin. Robin, welcome to KFI-AM 640.
R: Good evening.
J: Hi, Robin.
R: How are you?
J: I am well.
R: That's wonderful. One of the things I always have trouble answeringand this kind of ties in with what you were talking about loveis how does a loving God let bad things happen? And today Mayor Riordan said that all children have a God-given right to a happy life. What would you say about that?
J: I would say that could be misunderstood in a couple of ways and I believe the spirit and the heart of what Mayor Riordan was saying was that all children have a God-given right to not be messed with as in
R: Okay.
J: as with all children . . . with all people. That children especially we think of as being innocent, that they have the right to grow up without having to worry about being shot and so on. The fact remains that that's really not true. It's a very pleasant thought and one that I think is a righteous one from somebody who is the mayor but if you're talking . . . (end of side #1)
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S: KFI. Please hold.
J: . . . There's nothing you can do there's no sin that is greater than the blood shed on my cross. And that's what you'd have to say. Anybody that tells you that there's some sin other than you rejecting me that is more potent than the blood on the cross, they are speaking blasphemy. Do you understand me?
M: Yeah, I do. I do. I guess it's just a struggle between, you know I want to ("I") do it right.
J: Do you know who wants to make you feel like when you do things you make mistakes and you fall down that I don't love you? You know who that is that maybe wants you to feel that way? I'll give you a clue. People often draw him with horns. It is very easy for you to start tearing at yourself, feeling poorly about yourself, and that would make the enemy so happy, Marlene, for you to feel jilted somehow by me. But I will tell you that I will not forsake you. I will not walk away from you. The Bible says that a righteous person is not somebody who never fails but somebody who all seven times and seven times gets up again.
A: Jesus Christ is taking one more break but he will return. This is your final chance to get in. Your phone numbers in L.A. county (gives number); outside of Los Angeles county (gives number). Prepare yourself. He will return. KFI-AM 640. More stimulating talk radio.
P: KFI-AM 640.
P: It's very informative. You hear different points of view. Maybe some that I don't agree with. The way they say things or opinion and
S: KFI.
Q: Hello?
S: Hi.
Q: Yes, I had a question for 'Jesus.'
S: What's your question?
Q: Just in terms of his references to the old scriptures, why is he doing this instead of referring to contemporary scripture?
S: Okay. And which references are you talking about?
Q: Well just all the ones that he's been making tonight.
S: So in reference to love?
Q: Correct.
S: And your name?
Q: Mark.
S: Okay, Mark, you hang on. I'm going to put you on hold for the air. Thank you. (traffic report concluding KFI News/Fox News is followed by three commercials)
A: Jesus is back one more time. If you'd like to speak to Jesus, chances are . . . late but you can try. The numbers in Los Angeles county (gives number); outside of Los Angeles county the numbers are (gives number). Here for one final time is your . . . and mine Jesus Christ.
J: Hi, everybody. Welcome back and thank you for joining me and on "The Jesus Christ Show." I am your holy host with you every single Monday night nine to ten right here on KFI happy to be with you, happy to hear from you. I get hundreds of letters from you the listener and I very much appreciate them Emails and so on, so forth. Michael is always good about letting you know how to get a hold of me and I want to thank you. I want you all to be patient. There are many of these that I answer on the air and there are many of them that I answer via the Email but I'm always willing and ready to hear your questions or your thoughts. And always feel free to Email me or, to be like these good people, a call right here on the program. Let's talk to Danielle. Danielle, welcome to KFI 640.
D: Hi. I have a question. You're not claiming to be the second coming. Are you the first and half coming?
J: Why don't you explain what the second coming is?
D: Second coming is that, well, as you should know, prophesied Jesus comes down to Earth in the like manner that he rose up into the heavens. And I'm wondering if you came down from the heavens to Earth, ascending down like
J: There's something just a little bit more to the second coming, wouldn't you say, Danielle? Isn't it for something
D: Well no but ("DEALING WITH THE") the rapture
J: Uh-huh. And judgement.
D: Right.
J: Okay.
D: So I'm asking . . .
J: Is it talking about specifically the only time that Christ . . .
D: Well yeah. Jesus said that he or the angel said that Jesus will return in like manner that the people watching him had seen him go . . .
J: How many times have I been on the planet before, Danielle?
D: To my knowledge, once.
J: No. Because what about the resurrection?
D: Well I'm not talking I'm talking once he was resurrected and he preached for people for forty days and then he ascended into heaven. That is, in my opinion, the totality of the first time he was on Earth.
J: Let me explain something. The second coming deals specifically with judgement. The word of God, which is Christ, is a living scripture, is a living word and continually living and breathing.
D: I agree.
J: I didn't go away. I don't live somewhere else.
D: Alright, that's you brought the holy spirit with him.
J: I'm not completely separate; however, as you refer to (I?). However, me being here talking with you now does not constitute a first or second coming. Second coming specifically deals with judgement. Doesn't deal with my presence because wouldn't you say my presence is everywhere consistently?
D: Through the holy spirit, yes.
J: Yeah. So (or "SO")
D: But not through the physical body. But I have a question for you.
J: Great.
D: There's something I need some help with.
J: Okay.
D: And that is we all are complaining these days of the high taxes. I object to the taxes. What do you say about my paying taxes?
J: Same thing I said before. Who's on the money? Give to the government what is the government's and give to God what is God's.
D: Okay. I agree with you. There's only one problem. The Federal Reserve note is what's on the government paper money and it's not and the government doesn't own that bank. And private individuals do. So that means give to the government what is government's but it's not government paper money, it's Federal Reserve money. It's privately owned.
J: Danielle?
D: And so should we pay taxes to the government when it's privately owned Federal Reserve money?
J: Danielle? Yes, you are to pay taxes because beyond giving to God what is God's, giving to the government what is the government's, the tithes, which is mutated most often in the churches to be 10% that you give to the church, originally dealt with giving to the government of the land. So it's not a matter of where the note comes from. Go back and learn about the tithes, the ten fingers, and grabbing the grain and giving that to the people, the community is what you're doing. You're driving on their streets which are your streets only because you pay for them. Now Danielle, if you want to look throughout scripture, you can also see about where it talks about splitting hair and those that are looking for details waiting for people to fall throughout Proverbs . . . Maybe something to do on your spare time. But thank you for calling, Danielle, and I, as always, wish you well. (BEEP) Mark? Welcome to KFI-AM 640.
Q: Hello. I was thinking as I was listening to you quote scripture earlier that indeed we each must be like Jesus and in terms of being a Christed one but I was just thinking it's just too bad that you keep referring to the old scriptures as opposed to current ones such as the testament.org website or something that really can help others expand their awareness of the Christ force.
J: Let's talk to Josh. Josh, welcome to (line disconnected)
S: Way lame.
Q: Hello?
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I BEGAN RECORDING FROM THE BROADCAST A FEW MOMENTS LATER.)
J: . . . the question is an excellent one and many people are concerned because you have love for your pets and many people want to be with their pets. Well I'll tell you this there are animals in heaven.
H: Really?
J: Yes, we know this throughout scripture. The scripture often talks about even what most people think is just being flowery, literary language like the four horsemen of the apocalypse. There is talk of animals in heaven. Now the concern is whether you will be with your pets. Let me tell you this do you think that I or my Father would ever desire you to be separated from anything that brings you joy?
H: I would think not.
J: True, honest, pure joy comes from these things which you have here. Animals do play a part. Specifically what part? Well the secret things belong to the Lord, don't they, Josh?
H: Right. Hey, how why is it that you would love a child molester the same way as you would love someone who lived a full life of God? You say you love all the same except for someone who turns away from you?
J: Yes, but you're assuming that a child molester hasn't rejected me and therefore gone on to do these works. And therein lies a much more heavy, heavy subject that we'll deal with another time, Josh. (flourish of music)
A: Because he is everywhere, he is obviously on the Internet so if you weren't able to speak to Jesus, you can Email him at jesuschrist@kfi640.com. He will return next week. This is KFI Los Angeles. More stimulating talk radio. . . .
Q: So it's Wednesday night, the 14th of February, Valentine's Day and I do plan on calling "Coast to Coast A.M" with Art Bell tonight. He's doing a show of open lines on the subject of entities so I think he wants me to call. But I might be mistaken. I just visited his homepage and I see I'm visitor or "encounterer" 62,797,666. I was thinking about checking my message boards but I'm pretty sure they're still there and people have ignored them at least apparently ignored them. Story of my life just about so far. I should say I did get out my Art Bell file of faxes and Emails over the years and I was mortified by some of the things that I saw.
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A: (off the air during commercials) Hi there, do you have a story for us?
Q: (off air) Yes, I do.
A: (off air) Pretty good one?
Q: (off air) It's very good. ("ONE")
A: (off air) Hold tight. (commercials follow)
A: Alright, back into that dark night and the phone lines. Here we go. First time caller line, you're on the air. Cheerio.
F: Hi Art.
A: Hello there.
F: Can you hear me alright? You said you couldn't hear me earlier.
A: Boy, you sound hold on and let's see if I can straighten this out. Try it again.
F: Can you how that better?
A: No, you are totally distorted and ripped up and torn apart.
F: Is that any better?
A: Oh that's much better.
F: I'm sorry. I had an earpiece and I was driving. Well I have two things for you Art. One: last year I was driving I think it was last year. I just when you were talking about losing time, I kind of uncovered this memory. I drive a truck and I was driving back from Illinois and I remember looking I was kind of groggy, a little tired. I remember looking out the window. Something caught my eye.
A: You mean a big eighteen-wheeler?
F: Right. I drive a tanker full of petroleum.
A: Uh-huh. Oh a tanker?
F: Right.
A: Oh we really love to hear about groggy tanker drivers. Okay.
F: (small laugh) Well I wasn't sleepy. I was just a little groggy, kind of daydreaming.
A: Uh-huh.
F: Anyway, I was coming back from Illinois going towards Indianapolis. I'm calling from Indianapolis.
A: Right.
F: And something caught my eye. The next thing I know I'm standing or not standing. I'm beside the road at an off-ramp . . . back on my . . .
A: Uh-oh, you're breaking up again.
F: Oh no.
A: They know you're telling this story and they're breaking you up.
F: Is that better, Art?
A: That's better.
F: Okay, anyway
A: Don't move. Just stay right where you are.
F: I had didn't move the last time. Anyways, I'm driving and I see something out of the corner of my eye. Next thing I know I'm on an off-ramp and I'm sitting on my sleeper. I feel like I just woke up and three hours had just elapsed.
A: (small laugh) Oh lordy.
F: I had where was I coming from? I have no idea. Another thing I saw an entity last year, a rather frightening entity.
A: Oh?
F: It entered my house and walked down my hallway and walked between my children's room. And, as I went to go after him, my wife told me not to . . .
A: Meaning she must've seen it too.
F: She did see it. Well the thing is the first time I'd ever seen it. It scared me to death. And I asked her afterwards what it was I saw and she described to me exactly
A: What you saw.
F: what I saw and she didn't see it.
A: Well ask me how happy I am about hearing you just driving this big tanker and then suddenly ending up in a rest area, waken up I suppose, huh?
F: No, I wasn't waking up. That's the thing. It just ("E") here's the difference. I know when I get tired and when I pull over and that's not what happened. I just I lost three hours and where it went I don't know. I wasn't asleep.
A: I bet that scared the hell out of you.
F: It scared the shit out of me. I'm sorry.
A: No, I can't let you say that word on the air.
F: I'm sorry. I
A: That's one of the few words that George Carlin said definitively you cannot say on the air. But I understand what it scared out of you and so does everybody else. ("YES") I appreciate the call, sir. Thank you. Oh God. A tanker truck yet. That would be a very serious loss of time. I bet he didn't tell the boss about that one. Wild card line, you're on the air. Hi.
C: Hey good morning and good night. It's still night here in Honolulu, Hawaii. This is Chris. I'm listening at you from KHVH and close proximity to 19/45, the planetary hot spot.
A: Yes sir. Indeed it is and I understand the volcano is really getting active over there.
C: Well you can I'm telling you the Earth is getting active. I've sat here in my studio numerous times lately and I can feel shaking. Like not a major earthquake but, you know, a minor bit of shaking.
A: Tell me about it. I you know, when you get a moment, an opportunity, look at the California/Nevada earthquake map. I'm here in, you know not too far from Las Vegas near the California border and it's circling me like the wagons circling. You know, it's scaring me . . .
C: Well (or "WELL") well Art Art, I was I tried like heck to call you during your prediction night and I did(n't) couldn't get through. The lines were jammed.
A: Yes.
C: But my prediction is that this is going to be the year of the big one in California. Okay? And ("BEND") it has to do with the alignment of the planets in astrology. It has to do with do you remember Mt. St. Helens went off in 1980 and then there was the big El Nino and then there was after that there was
A: La nina.
C: the Vesuvius or the Mt. Edna and the Pinatubo and all those other things.
A: Yeah.
C: That was a seven planet alignment. In fact, in the '70s there was a book written called The Jupiter Effect and the guys were scoffed at by the so-called scientific community because they were basing it on astrology.
A: Okay, well you're kind of drifting away from the topic we're on tonight now.
C: Okay, the topic yeah, but I'm just saying that, based on that, there's (or "THERE'S") we're in nine planet alignment now and it's probably going to be this year will be the year that California's going to be shaken up quite a bit. The reason I called though is not about that you're right, we kind of drifted off. When you mentioned earthquakes and shaking and all that. And the volcano. I've been MRIed ten years ago.
A: Oh?
C: And you mentioned having been MRIed yourself.
A: Yes.
C: Oh (or "O") I went into this thing and it's extremely claustrophobic, as you know.
A: Oh it's terrible. Yes, you're in a tube.
C: It's I had to go into the best meditative state I could muster because I do have a mild case of claustrophobia and I mean this thing was oh God, it was so scary . . . (end of tape side)
A: That's right.
C: Okay? One of the side effects of this is now this is ten years later. I haven't noticed any strange bumps or growths or anything like that. But I have noticed an enhanced ability ("LIKE") you know, when you pick up the phone before it rings and they're and the person you're thinking about's on the other end of the line and that kind of thing going on?
A: Oh yeah.
C: Well
A: Precognition.
C: Precognition . . .
A: But how can you yes. But how can you attribute that to the MRI you had?
C: Well I
A: Did it begin immediately following that?
C: I'm saying since then there's been throughout my life, you know you know, at random you might have an occasion, you know, where something like that would happen and you'd say well that was just a coincidence or whatever.
A: Yes.
C: But since the MRI scan ten years ago, this has been going on at a lot more than just coincidence.
A: Well that's not so unreasonable. I mean we know that an MRI has an incredible electromagnetic field. And we know that changes in the brain are possible. And we know you have abilities that you don't use and parts of your brain you don't use. So it may have turned something on.
C: What about you? Anything like that happen to you?
A: No. My back still hurts, though.
C: Uhh.
A: (laughs)
C: I see.
A: My MRI, sir, thank you very much, was my back. So I suppose they were not irradiating my head. Now I've had some pretty abby-normal experiences with my back but nothing paranormal. East of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hi.
B: Hi.
A: Hello.
B: My goodness, you get nervous as
A: Where in the world are you?
B: I'm in Lubbock, Texas.
A: Lubbock, Texas. Alright.
B: Yes, and I can hear you in Amarillo and Abilene and all over the place.
A: Alright.
B: Um-huh. Now I want to tell you too a really little funny one and then, you know, the MRI thing.
A: Oh you have an MRI story?
B: Yeah. But I'll do I want to do the funny one first cause it's maybe it'll make me not be so nervous.
A: Okay.
B: Oh gosh. I had the pleasure of being on another radio program with Whitley.
A: Oh yes.
B: And we were discussing all kinds of different kind of things like you do with Whitley, you know? Started with alien abduction-type stuff and then we went on other things.
A: Whitley knows a lot about that.
B: Yeah. We were talking about implants and different things. And I I'm blind so I asked him this question. And I was really embarrassed because I thought they're going to put me away. But I have a bunny rabbit
A: Yes?
B: and he loves to play with certain things in his cage. And one night I took all the stuff out of his cage because, you know, I was going to clean his cage. And he likes to play while I'm cleaning the cage and . . . just easier if you don't play while you so I took everything out and I wasn't quite ready to clean the cage but he started playing away with something in there.
A: Yes?
B: So what what could he be playing with? I took everything out.
A: Right.
B: So I real carefullyso I won't disturb his activityget closer and open the cage and stick my hand in there. And a little furry ball rolls over my hand.
A: What?
B: Just a little really it's not so little. Maybe the size of a nice-size lime.
A: Yeah?
B: Just rolls over my hand because I just have my hand kind of open like I always stick it in there kind of open in case he wants to sniff my fingers. You know, like
A: I mean he hadn't multiplied or something? That wasn't like a . . .
B: I thought well what and it did it again. And I tried to close my fingers around it to see what it was but then it just whittt. It was gone.
A: A
B: Right. I said that to Whit(ley) (Or "TO WHIT")
A: furry a little
B: Yeah, a little furry yeah. Okay now it's just okay. And I'm going to tell you this don't think I'm too strangebut since your wife is a witch you probably won'tbut if there's something in here with me and I don't know what it is, I say, "What are you?"
A: You were addressing the furry ball?
B: Well I didn't really say it I just sort of thought it. You know, I just thought, "What are you?"
A: Yo furry ball, what are you? That's okay.
B: It said, "WELL I'M A FURRY BALL."
A: Yes it answered?
B: Yeah. It just said, "I'M A FURRY BALL."
A: (small laugh)
B: And I oh, okay. So then I'm telling Whitley this. He said to me, "That was a now have you ever seen these or your cats might play with them? They're called fuzzy light balls."
A: No, but I can see as a cat would like a fuzzy light ball.
B: It's probably kind of like a tennis ball sort of thing but it's a light ball. ("A") But you can actually touch them. ("BUT") But no (or "NO"), people that see them probably don't reach out and grab them.
A: Huhh-hh-hh-hh.
B: But since I didn't know it was a light ball I just let it roll over my hand (overlapping spirit message here is hard to hear) and it felt ("NO") did you ever touch a chinchilla?
A: No. ("OH IT WAS")
B: Oh, it's the softest thing in the world. It was the softest little I thought well no wonder he loves to play with those things so much.
A: So whatever in the hell it was, it disappeared? After it rolled
B: As soon as I you know how when you think about a cotton candy, how it just
A: Yes.
B: Well it was like that. As soon as I moved my fingers to get a to sort of
A: Now you're sure this was not your average dustbunny?
B: No no no.
A: No no?
B: It's happened more than once.
A: This was an intelligent fuzzy
B: This was a thing that was playing with my bunny.
A: I got you.
B: And I'm just as serious as I can be.
A: I know you are.
B: I am and I when I told that to Whitley, I just thought, "Okay " because we were just talking about the strangest things, you know, that we and I don't really
A: Well that qualifies.
B: Well ghosts you know, I might hear them but I don't see them but
A: Alright now you said something about MRI.
B: Yeah.
A: Let's go to that.
B: Well this I love MRIs for some reason.
A: You love MRIs?
B: I just (small laugh) I'm not sure what it is about that sound.
A: So you're one of those people like when you have some spare time it's like, "Hey, let's get an MRI." You know?
B: Well after that's right. After I heard that doctor talk about what it might do to your DNA and all that
A: Oh, the doctor this morning? Yes.
B: Yeah. Well I haven't I've had about I'd say three or four. ("I") But the last one
A: Some of them probably totally unjustified, huh?
B: Well
A: You talked the doctor into it?
B: No. Actually I never admitted
A: "Get me into that long tube. I love it in there, doctor." (small laugh)
B: (laughs) I never admitted until the last one. Well they were always so short before. ("BUT") But the last one I had was they said it was going to be an hour.
A: An hour?
B: Yeah. I thought, "Oh good. An hour. Ooh "
A: An hour inside the beloved machine.
B: "I can't wait." ("PSYCH")
A: You are weird.
B: I am just I know. But, see, it makes me sort of well I they slide me in the
A: I know how it works.
B: case. (laughs) It reminded me of a coffin, you know?
A: It is like a coffin. Yes.
B: Okay. So it starts up and I'm thinking to myself, "Oh good. This is going to be so good. A whole hour of this." Alright so maybe a minute goes by.
A: (small laugh)
B: Maybe a minute and a half.
A: Yes?
B: And they're rolling me out. And I'm thinking, "Well hey, what happened to my hour?"
A: Where was my pleasure ripped off.
B: Wait a minute uhhh. And I'm thinking, no (or "NO") if you have surgery how you know you just you don't know where that time went?
A: Uh-huh?
B: Well I'm saying why did you turn it off? You know how much I wanted to be in there. Why did you do that to me? Are you just playing a trick on me or what? And they said, "What ?" (or "WHAT")
A: "What are you talking about?"
B: "It's over."
A: "It's over. It's been an hour."
B: I said, "No, what are you talking about 'it's over?'" "The hour is up." "No, it was just a minute." "No, you fell asleep." And I said, "I did not fall asleep."
A: (small laugh)
B: And they say, "Yes. We tried to talk to you and you just were absolutely unresponsive except that "
A: So in other words there you were for just a couple of minutes waiting for the usual warm loving effect
B: Oh yeah. The wonderful whatever that is that I love so much. It just
A: Uh-huh. I'm not sure I really want to know but whatever it is you like about it
B: No, it seems like it balances something in my brain or I'm sorry but it just feels the sound is what I like. The sound.
A: And this has
B: I know it's a horrible sound but I like it.
A: certain vibration too.
B: It's good. Okay? And you're all closed up in there so it you know, you get the you get all of it?
A: And you're not at all claustrophobic?
B: Not in there.
A: It sounds like you're really in love with the MRI.
B: Well I don't know if I want to do it again because I don't know where I went.
A: Oh well you have a good point there.
B: I mean I absolutely went somewhere but, you know, a whole hour? I mean I it's not as bad as three or four hours and I wasn't driving a tanker, thank thank God, I wasn't driving one. But I just sort of thought, "Okay, I wish I could remember where I went."
A: You must really like enclosed spaces.
B: Well some. Yeah. I was thinking if you could build your own coffin and get used to it not that I want to be buried because I don't but (or "BUT")
A: Well you could, you know, people they don't think about these things but yeah, you could go out and buy a coffin
B: And just sort of
A: and try to get used to it.
B: sleep in
A: You know? Yeah. (or "YEAH") "Oh that's right."
B: No just sort of
A: Spend a little recreational time in your coffin every day.
B: put the door down just a little bit
A: You know, when you have the urge every now and then?
B: Yeah but see I want that sound in there?
A: You want a sound?
B: I want the MRI sound.
A: Coffins are generally quiet.
B: Well ("BUT") that doesn't go together so I decided to be cremated instead because it's too quiet.
A: Well there's a kind of sound with cremation too.
B: (laughs) You mean like the sizzle? Like the frying?
A: Like listen (crumpling up paper)
B: (laughs) Yeah. I don't know if I like that sound. Ohh.
A: Well you'll find out.
B: I guess it'll last well you know how they cook you for several hours? I might get used to it and like it better than I think but
A: I can't imagine they cook you for several hours.
B: Oh they do because no, I've taken the tour of the mortuary place.
A: Listen, hon, I've got to run. This wonderful time we've spent together is up.
B: It is hours.
A: We'll just call you his latest flame. Sorry, couldn't resist.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: THE BUMPER MUSIC HEARD ON THE AIR WAS FOLLOWED BY OTHER
SONGS WHILE I WAS ON HOLD THROUGH THE BREAK.)
A very old friend came by today
'Cause he was telling everyone in town
Of the love that he just found
And Marie's the name of his latest flame
He talked and talked and I heard him say
That she had the longest blackest hair
The prettiest green eyes anywhere
And Marie's the name of his latest flame
Though I smiled the tears inside were a-burning
I wished him luck and then he said goodbye
He was gone but still his words kept returning
What else was there for me to do but cry?
Would you believe that yesterday
This girl was in my arms and swore to me
She'd be mine eternally
And Marie's the name of his latest flame . . .
("His Latest Flame" performed by Elvis Presley)
Mississippi in the middle of a dry spell
Jimmy Rogers on the Victrola up high
Mama's dancing baby on a shoulder
The sun is setting like molasses in the sky
The boy could sing, knew how to move, everything
Always wanting more, he'd leave you longing for
Black velvet and that little boy smile
Black velvet with that slow southern style
A new religion that'll bring ya to your knees
Black velvet if you please . . .
("Black Velvet" performed by Alannah Myles)
( . . . )
. . . Nothing but a heartache every day
(Nothing but a heartache)
I let a tear drop all of the way
(Nothing but a tear drop)
Me loving him is just too slim yeah
He's got me
Oh why can't I get him?
Nothing but a heartache every day
(Nothing but a heartache)
I let a tear drop all of the way
(Nothing but a tear drop)
Heartache ooh I get 'em every every day
(Nothing but a heartache)
Tears pouring all down my face
(Nothing but a tear drop)
Ooh the man has got me so uptight
Nothing but a heartache every day
(Nothing but a heartache)
I let a tear drop all of the way
(Nothing but a tear drop)
Loving that guy is such a sin yeah
He's got me
Oh why can't I get him?
Nothing but a heartache every day
(Nothing but a heartache)
I let a tear drop all of the way
(Nothing but a tear drop)
To witness that I just can't win yeah
He's got me
Oh why can't I get him?
I got a lot of those heartaches
I got a lot of those tear drops
Heartaches
Tear drops
All of the way
Nothing but a heartache every day . . .
("Nothing But A Heartache" performed by The Flirtations)
A: (off air) Alright everybody we're at break. We're about thirty seconds from a real startup
here so everybody sit tight. Let me push this button and stop the girls and cue the girls and get
them ready to go here for "Coast To Coast A.M." or "Tales From The Crypt," depending on your
point of view. G minus ten.
Nothing but a heartache every day
(Nothing but a heartache)
I let a tear drop all of the way
(Nothing but a tear drop)
Loving that guy is such a sin yeah
He's got me
Oh why can't I get him?
Nothing but a heartache every day
(Nothing but a heartache)
I let a tear drop all of the way
(Nothing but a tear drop)
To witness that I just can't win yeah
He's got me
Oh why can't I get him?
I got a lot of those heartaches
I got a lot of those tear drops
Heartaches
Tear drops
All of the way . . .
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A: "Tales From The Crypt." (small laugh) Good morning, everybody. I'm Art Bell. Listen, tomorrow night in the first hour Richard C. Hoagland and he's got a lot of news for you. In the second hour, it's going to be a remarkable man that I guess I did a show or two with him before leaving. His name is Dr. David Anderson. He works for the Time Travel Research Center And Association. He's a real scientist with a real lab kind of secret that's working on time travel and they've actually achieved the beginnings of time travel. This is a serious fellow and he has a lot to say. And so we'll talk about one of my favorite topics tomorrow night. Time travel. The guy is something else. Dr. David Anderson. Okay, let's see where to go. How about the international line. You're on the air. Hi.
V: Hi there. Is that me, Art?
A: That's you.
V: Okay. I was traveling at nighttime on Highway 5 coming southwest out of Jasper when I at nighttime around midnight.
A: Where are you now, by the way?
V: Victoria, B.C.
A: Victoria, B.C. Alright. Are so there you are on 5.
V: Yeah. And that's in the interior. Just as you've taken off from Highway 16 out of Jasper and you branch off onto Highway 5. And I was traveling alone. It was around midnight. It was a wintery night, the end of December of 1981. And traveling by myself ("N") very little traffic around. I was practically the only one on the highway. And I was traveling over quite a long bridge which had a slight little turn in it at the end. And before I reached the end of the bridge I would be about two-thirds way over the bridge now quite a long bridge. And I could see on my left hand side something dark moving towards me. And so I brought my car to a stop right on the bridge and I didn't dare approach any closer to it because it was coming in my direction.
A: Well what did it look like? Did it look like a car? A mass of
V: Oh no, it was a living being.
A: A being?
V: It was not an automobile.
A: Okay.
V: It was huge. I'd say well it was dark, black. If you can see it (when) you're driving in the mountains on a winter night with white snow everywhere
A: Oh I can. I can.
V: Yes, and it is almost like being in a moonlit night. ("IT") So I could see but it would be like the moonlight would be behind the beings there. What was a very, very tall I presume that would be the male. I'd say eight to night feet tall. Dark
A: A male what?
V: A Sasquatch.
A: A Sasquatch bigfoot?
V: Yes. And I couldn't see the facial features but I could see the form because it was so black
A: Oh my God, so here you are stuck in the snow on a bridge stopped with a big Sasquatch coming at you?
V: Exactly.
A: Great.
V: And I'd say it would be several hundreds of feet down from me before it had ever come near the bridge. But I came to a total stop right on the bridge and with him was a lesser, lower not as tall person or being. And I'd say she would be I presume that would be the mother.
A: This is lunch?
V: She'd be about a head less ("IAN") in height.
A: Right. ("ABOUT")
V: A young one about three feet tall.
A: Mini-squatch.
V: Exactly. And they were walking along in the direction towards me. I was so terribly frightened I didn't know what to do. I was only driving a little Honda which they could've opened that up like a sardine can.
A: Maybe they were out for an evening meal?
V: (small laugh) Exactly. So I stayed where I was and I I believe I even turned my lights off so that they wouldn't think that I was aggressive at all, anyway. But I could still see them coming and approaching towards
A: In other words, why call attention to yourself, right?
V: Yes. So they certainly knew that I was there but I wanted them to know that I ("NO") I had no ill will towards them and whatever their business was I was certainly not going to interfere. ("PRINCE") And as they approached the bridge I'd say about fifty feet before they got to the bridge they made a sharp right hand turn there were great big tall snow banks on either side. They went immediately, turned right and went up over the snowbank and up the hill. And the young little one had a problem getting up over the snowbank and the parent, the father, just reached his hand below the little bum of this little one, the young one, and gave him a little boost up over the snow bank.
A: Wow.
V: And they walked totally upright. There was not a hunch. And grizzly bear they say. "Oh well, a grizzly bear." Grizzly bear do not stay with the mother ("AND") and the baby because she won't permit it.
A: That's right.
V: They don't walk upright that length of ("R") space. ("COME")
A: Did you hear any noise or smell any smell?
V: No. I've been asked that before. But it was a crisp, cold wintery evening where it's sort of like refrigeration keeps it's not like summer time where smells would be more obvious.
A: Right.
V: So the air was crisp and clean and no, I didn't notice that at all. But when I could see that they had went right up over the bank and up the side of the mountain. Then I knew that they were ("YOU KNOW") their intention was not going to be aggression against me. And so then I inched my way along the bridge. As soon as I knew that they were up over the snowbank and going up the side of the mountain or the little hill there. ("GET") And I approached very slowly. And by the time I got to the place where they had gone over the snowbank, they were already ("THEY NEED") thirty feet already up the hill where the treeline was. So I knew that they they knew I was not aggressive towards them. They knew I was ("NOT") I knew they were not aggressive towards me.
A: But you have seen an entire Sasquatch family?
V: Entire family. Entire family but I want to tell you more what I did. As soon as I knew and I got past the place where they had went up the hill, I went ("NO") twenty-five to fifty feet ahead and I thought, "This is an opportunity of a lifetime." So I spun my car around and turned it right toward the bank, put my headlights on high beam and shown it up the hill. (small laugh) I'm quite adventurous, I guess.
A: And?
V: But by that time they were in the tree line and there was nothing. I couldn't see them. But I just ho(ped) (or "JUST HO")
A: You're lucky they didn't come down and beat the hell out of you for not dimming.
V: (laughs) Well not only that I've got laryngitis. I'm sorry, Art, I sound so terrible.
A: That's alright. That's ("THEY LIVE AMONGST US")
V: But I want to tell you what I did. I stopped at the nearest community which was about twenty miles down the road. And I decided to stay there overnight because I was going to go back to the spot and see it in the daytime to see what kind of footprints. And I've been asked this question before: "Were there claws?" No, there weren't claws. "What size was the male foot?" I'd say about a size 12 times two, at least.
A: (small laugh) ("M[ALE]")
V: That's the male. And then the mother
A: A good 24.
V: She walked along at the side. You could see the footprints of the baby. ("AND") Three separate beings went up that hill and I went back there the next day. I didn't have a camera. But I went there right up to the place where it was. I went over a little embankment of snow and started to go up the little hill. And I was walking on the surface of the snow. And the footprints had sunk way down about two feet into the snow.
A: Well that's one whale of a tale. And you swear
V: Ohhh
A: you swear its true, right?
V: On the Bible I'd swear it was true.
A: Alright. Then sold. Thank you very much for the call. On the Bible. That gives me (or "THAT GIVES ME") family. First-time caller line, you're on the air. Hi.
M: Hello. Is that me, Art?
A: Well only you know that for sure. Maybe you and your hairdresser. Yeah.
M: (small laugh) ("YOU") Okay, this is Mike. I'm another truck driver. I've been a local faithful listener for a long time.
A: Yes sir. And where are you?
M: I'm currently near Wheat, California and I'm listening to you on KLMO out of Seattle.
A: And you're moving.
M: No, I'm parked for the night. I'm a little tired here so I'm going to pull over and sleep.
A: Bless your heart. We four wheel drivers appreciate that.
M: Oh I'm sure you do. I appreciate it too both out of trouble.
A: Anyway, what's up?
M: Well this happened back in 1978. I used to live in the South Bay area. Santa Clara county specifically Campo, California. And well I'm not sure whether this was a dream or time travel. I think it might have been time travel because of the details that I remember from what happened but this was prior to Christmas in 1978. And I something woke me up in the middle of the night and I sat up and I remembered everything from details. And what I remember is it seemed like I was floating above an area of San Jose that I'd never been to before. I knew where one of the roads was but I was above an intersection and I saw two cars, one of them was a blue Volkswagon and the other one was a white Buick. And I had the feeling that a friend of mine was in the blue Volkswagon and an older couple were in the white Buick. And the blue Volkswagon turned in front of the white Buick and got broadsided by the Buick. And I knew that somebody would had died. And I knew that my friend was in the Volkswagon. And I thought that, perhaps, he was killed in the accident. And it was a couple weeks later was Christmas holiday. And I took off and went down the coast, went down the beach and stayed on the beach for about a week. And when I'd come back, my friends asked me where I'd been for the past week and had I talked to Greg and had I seen Greg? And I said, "No." And they said, "Well Greg got hit by ("AA") Greg was in a bad accident and he wants to talk to you. So I go to the hospital to talk to him and now I'd told Greg about this dream prior to, you know, right after I had it. ("HOW")
A: Yeah, I was going to ask about that.
M: Yes, I'd told Greg about the dream probably two weeks before it happened. And I and it shook me up because I don't know it it was a dream because I remember all the so many details about it. But ("HE") he had been seriously injured and was in the hospital. And when I went to see him, he looked at me and told me that he'd never make fun of me again because that's what his reaction to what I told him was. He thought it was ridiculous and he'd never heard of such a thing.
A: Well now not only had he heard of it but he had experienced it. Yeah, I get the message there. Too bad he didn't, huh? That's a precognitive dream that you had and maybe it's missing time. I don't know. And, by the way, while I'm at it, I want to thank all the truckers. As you know or may know, my wife and I have a new RV. If you haven't seen photos of it, I did I took some photos and put it up on the website. You can see our RV. It's pretty cool. The diesel pusher and it's about thirty-seven feet long. And getting, you know, used to driving something like that is really an interesting experience. Let me put it that way. I'm a little better at it now. But I want to thank the truckers out there. You know, I've got a CB rig in there as well as a ham rig and other rigs but I've got a CB rig in there so I can talk to the truckers. And that's exactly what I've done. You know, when you're out on the road that's a lot of help being able to talk to the truckers. And they have been really, really nice to me. So when you're driving something like that you're sort of in a different mode and the truckers understand it. The other four-wheelers don't. They seem to want to scare you. And I'm sure with my size I scare them so it's mutual. But the truckers are incredibly helpful . . . (West) of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hi.
Q: Hi. Good morning, Art.
A: Good morning. ("I")
Q: This is Mark in L.A.
A: Hi, Mark.
Q: I have comparatively clear understanding about my Entity interaction even though I think Spirit is a better word, perhaps. But I think I'll refer back to that November 1995 TV special entitled "Ghosts, Mediums, Psychics: Put To The Test." Did you ever see that?
A: I did not.
Q: It featured a chair moving on its own. There was a heat photography image of an alien-like head outlined in a window that the producers themselves tried to explain away. Barry Taff was the investigator on the case.
A: Oh of course (or "COURSE") Barry, of course. Yes, I know Barry very well.
Q: And so and then at the very end of the thirty-minute special (segment) ("WHEN") a reporter asked the Entityhis name was Mighaelto give a sign, there was a howl in the distance, which was sort of establishing a connection to the animal's subconscious or Superconscious mind. But in my case what happened with me is that I had gone ("OUT") to Oklahoma to interview the family. And they were telling me stories about different family members like there was a Leader that they called one of the aliens. In fact, there was a Leader Creek in the area too talk about synchronicity. And the aliens there were also spirit manifestations ("BUT") they said that the aliens had said that they were from Saturn. So when I returned home from Los Angeles, phenomena was still going on and I was at a party slideshow and one of my friends said very strangely she said that the man in the Hawaiian shirt was the tour leader. And then soon after that, another friend, Patty, mentioned that her car was a Saturn. And I really felt as if my Entity or Angel was basically teaching me how to interact with It. When I listened to the tapes
A: At best, that's synchronicity so far.
Q: Right. So when I listened to interview tapes, I was asking the family if they'd ever experienced a missing time episode and there was EVP saying right now.
A: Right now?
Q: Yeah. The I was ig because I had basically
A: That's electronic voce
Q: phenomena/spirit messages.
A: Uh-huh. I've done . . .
Q: And all through the tapes there were these spirit messages. In fact, I've called a few times. I've tried explaining it to Ian just a few days ago. And, in fact, tonight when Dr. Linda Honor was speaking
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: WHEN I LISTENED TO THE EARLY PORTION OF THE SHOW AGAIN, I DISCOVERED THAT ART BELL REFERRED TO HER BY THE INITIAL 'R' WHEN I HAD THOUGHT HE SAID 'HONOR' DURING THE BROADCAST.)
Q: when she said, "It's not a safe procedure necessarily. It has some some potential problems," there was the word "NO" in-between "some" and "some potential problems."
A: (small laugh)
Q: Very very clear and it's something that's very
A: What do you do? Do you sit there, record this and play it back?
Q: Yeah. I could play you that sentence right now if you like.
A: Um
Q: Want to hear it?
A: Yeah, I do.
Q: Okay.
A: I do actually.
Q: Here it comes.
A: Yeah, let's do it.
L: (clip) . . . It's not a safe procedure necessarily. It it has some ("NO") some potential problems.
A: Well I don't know if I heard the "NO" in there.
Q: Well I could repeat it. Just a moment. I'll rewind it.
A: I I didn't hear a "no."
Q: 'kay (or "K"), well I'll repeat it because
A: I'll listen very carefully.
Q: Okay.
A: Where does it come?
Q: Right she says, "It has some "; then there's "NO."
A: Alright.
Q: And then "some potential problems."
A: Right. Let me hear it.
L: (clip) . . . as with any medical procedure there are risks with MRI. It's not a safe procedure necessarily. It it has some ("NO") some potential problems.
A: No. She said "some uhh" she did an "uhh."
Q: No, it's it's probably not clearer because I'm playing a tape.
A: Well that that might be it.
Q: But if you go to the archi(ve)
A: . . . was static on your radio. Why don't you get a decent radio? CCradio
Q: Oh no, I have a it's very clear. It's KFI in L.A.
A: Well then why ("IT'S JUST THAT")
Q: I have a cheap tape recorder. But
A: Oh.
Q: But ("NO") I was talking when I I also had taped when Chris and Mark were on, on your first night.
A: Yes. ("THEY HAD")
Q: They constantly when they were talking there were "NO"s and I had recorded that.
A: Well I'm going to do a whole show on Electronic Voice Phenomena, sir. Thank (line disconnected) you very much for the call. You're going to definitely want to catch that. And also later today tonight actually you're going to want to catch the special on Fox everybody. I have nothing to do with it except that I do want to see it. It says basically or it explores this whole conspiracy business about 'we never went to the moon.' You know: 'they filmed the whole thing somewhere.' And I'm really quite anxious to see if they can satisfactorily make their case. Wayne Green believes we never went to the moon. I wrote to the man wrote to the man? talked to the man who wrote the book and so there's been a lot of input for me lately on this subject. And I still think we went to the moon firmly believe we went to the moon but I am interested in the case and you might want to catch it. That's tonight. Check your TV Guide on Fox. Wild card line, you're on the air. Hi.
E: Hi.
A: Hello.
E: Yes. This is Beverly from Elk Run. ("HATE")
A: Hello there, Beverly.
E: Northern California.
A: Yes.
E: I think it's KSFO.
A: Of course.
E: I have a story about a message from a dying person. My daughter had a close friend who was dying. Another friend had a small son who knew the ill woman and when he heard that she was going to heaven soon he asked our daughter to ask the dying woman if she would be his angel. And when our daughter asked the lady this, she asked the lady, "Could you be my angel too and could you give me a sign?" The friend died the next day.
A: And the sign?
E: And three days later after a memorial service when my daughter was calling a friend out of state to tell her about it, a big strange orange cat appeared in her family room she had never seen before.
A: You mean just suddenly in the house where it should not have been?
E: Right.
A: Well that's a sign alright. We'll be right back. Stay there and we'll catch the rest of the story
in a second. I'm Art Bell.
Every night I hope and pray
a dream lover will come my way
A girl to hold in my arms
and know the magic of her charms . . .
("Dream Lover" performed by Bobby Darin)
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It's written on the wind
It's everywhere I go
So if you really love me
Come on and let it show . . .
("Written On The Wind" performed by The Four Aces)
A: It's written in the wind. On the wind actually. Good morning. We're talking about we're talking with people who have experiences with large electrical magnetic fields: MRIs, that sort of thing, strange encounters of the time kind, close encounters of the fourth kind, anything dimensional will do, and Area 51 employees or people who have been there. I get a lot of Email from those people but not too many calls. Just every now and then do you get a call from somebody who has been an employee. They don't do a lot of talking. (commercial segue)
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A: And into the void we jump once again. On the international line, you are on the air. Where are you calling from, please?
K: From Korea.
A: Excuse me?
K: From Korea. ("KK")
A: Korea, okay. I can hear the time lag. What part of
K: I'm sorry about that.
A: That's quite alright. What part of Korea?
K: From Pusan right on the Southern tip.
A: Hh-hah. And how were you able to be listening to us? On the Internet?
K: Listening on the Internet. Good to have someone back that can keep the Trilateral Commission and the blue helmets at bay.
A: (small laugh) Well I don't know if we're doing that. But there you are. Speaking of blue helmets, how are things going in Korea. We hear a lot of nasty little forecasts about what might happen between the north and south.
K: Well there've been nasty forecasts but then there's also the sort of a detente sort of atmosphere but it's like 'let's be nice to each other. You first.' ("YEAH")
A: Yeah, I hear you. Well this is such a long distance call, you must have had something specific on your mind?
K: Art, about two hours ago, you had a caller that talked about seeing the being in the bar.
A: That's right. ("BB")
K: That call scared the bejesus out of me, Art. I had a very, very similar experience happen to me fourteen years ago.
A: Actually it was an Email that I read. And I did
K: That's what it was.
A: I did the reading of it. But at the end you're talking about the one where at the end the eyes went to blank pools of light?
K: Yes, sir. This was in my house fourteen years ago when I was living in, oddly enough, the northeastern corner of Utah . . . I was asleep. It was very, very late at night. I remember I lived in a small room. My bed was in a small room that had a it was a basement room so the only window looked out into a window well so there was very little light coming in my room at all. Just pitch black. And I head a noise kind of like someone bouncing a wet tennis ball on concrete. That's about the best way I've been able to describe it.
A: A wet tennis ball on concrete? I can picture that. I can hear that.
K: And it's giving me goosebumps again to think about it. This is the first time I've told anyone about this since it had happened. It scared me that bad. An d I heard this noise kind of getting closer to my open bedroom door. And I looked over . . . we had carpet in our basement so I have no idea what was making the sound but it was coming towards my room. And I looked out the doorway and the blackness got blacker ("IF") if that makes any sense. Just the darkness that was in the doorway got even shadowy-er.
A: Right.
K: And I saw an even darker form of a it was a human-like form of someone wearing a 1930s fedora-style hat.
A: (small laugh)
K: And I could see its head and I looked at it, just scared to death. I sat bolt-upright in bed and that's when the eyes part of the head literally filmed over into glossy silvery light. Like you'd see from a LED flashlight kind-of-a-thing, just a glazey, silvery bright white. And a voice very quietly, disturbingly said, "I KNOW YOU."
A: (small laugh)
K: And (or "AND") and then it disappeared.
A: Oh my. That would more than do it for me. You're sure this was not a dream? You're certain you were awake and fully conscious and all that?
K: I was wide-awake. I was definitely wide-awake and fully conscious and I did not sleep in that room again ever. I spent the next six months out in my hammock and tent in the backyard of my parents' house where I was at the time. . . .
A: I don't blame you a bit. Now somebody must've asked you why you did that? Did you tell the story?
K: I just said it's summer, it's we're up here in the Rockies, it's beautiful, I'd like to spend the summer in the tent in the backyard.
A: (small laugh) Wise choice.
K: And nobody questioned me and I have not told that story to anyone and it's just as creepy now as it was then.
A: Boy, I sure appreciate your reaching out over this many miles to tell it. And plus
K: I was saving it for "Ghost to Ghost" but
A: Plus it this must
K: That one freaked me out.
A: it must be daylight over there anyway right now.
K: It is 7:40 p.m.
A: 7:40 p.m. Korea. Alright well listen my friend
K: With black driving wind and rain.
A: driving wind and rain.
K: Alright, sir, thank you.
A: Alright, you take care. All the way from Korea. Whew. That's quite a call. ("BUT") Quite a story as well. Yeah, I don't I wouldn't like that at all. First time caller line, you're on the air. Hello. Hello?
T: Hi.
A: Yes. You're on the air.
T: This is Travis from Casino, Wisconsin.
A: Yes, Travis.
T: That's about fifty miles north of Green Bay so you'll get like an idea of where that is.
A: I have a real good idea of where that is. Sure.
T: Okay, so this happened to me in the summer of '99. My cousin was always telling me about this mound that she went to like way back in the woods on this logging road.
A: Yes?
T: So whenever she stood on it, she'd get like this chill. A really bad chill. Like she totally froze up because it was like it's almost like there was a spirit there.
A: The spirit in the mound?
T: Yeah, and I think that because there might be this dead girl buried under there because they never found the body
A: Oh you mean that kind of a mound?
T: Yeah, because someone was murdered up here.
A: Well has anybody sought to dig?
T: No, because we never told anyone about it. So I knew her and her friend that lives like right down the road from her.
A: Yes?
T: We all live like within a mile away from each other . . . . (end of tape side) . . . It was like in the evening before it was dark. And we were just checking it out so I stood on it. And I did not feel anything. I wasn't even scared. And then we like just kept standing there for a long time. And then we like trying to dig like dig with sticks to see if there was anything under there. And we found this old bottle. It was like a 1940 or 1950 beer bottle. One of those brown ones with a handle on it. So I took that bottle back with me because I was going to keep it for a souvenir. I found that it'd be worth something. And on the way back this bird came out of nowhere. It just flew up. It was like acting all crazy.
A: What flew up out of nowhere?
T: A bird.
A: A bird.
T: It was weird. It just came out of nowhere and it was flying all over right from the path on the way back on my dirt bike on the logging road. And then that spooked us a little. And then we took another road to get back and we heard like this loud brush cracking so we thought that was a bear. Then that really scared us. So then she floored that dirt bike like up to sixty.
A: Yeah?
T: And then we got to her house and (or "AND") and her friend was over there. It was like around nine o'clock.
A: And?
T: We were like just hanging out, just standing around outside talking and all of a sudden I heard a voice from behind the barn. It was saying, "HERE KITTY KITTY." And our friend just thought it was her mom but it wasn't.
A: Who was it?
T: Huh?
A: Who was it?
T: It was a I don't know. It was like a ghost or something because nobody was out there but us. And everyone else was sleeping.
A: So it probably all centered around this thing this bottle you dug up?
T: Yeah. It's almost like the bottle was a relic or something
A: And you brought it back with you?
T: It yeah. Like it had a spirit with it or something connected to it.
A: Yep. Where is it now?
T: So, okay, the bottle was like sitting in my cousin's room when all this was going on because we brought it in earlier. Then we just decided to take a ride up the road about twelve miles. And then on the way on that right it's like the lights just turned on bright automatically by themselves because I had it on dim.
A: (small laugh) Yes?
T: And then we got to this town called Stirring and so then we just like turned around and came back. Then all of a sudden on the way back we found like this fresh roadkill. It was like a bloody mess of something. I couldn't tell what it was. It was probably an animal.
A: In other words, signs all around you. At this point you were still holding on to this bottle?
T: No yeah. The bottle it's still at home but we don't have it with us.
A: I see. Okay.
T: It's at my cousin's house in an opened up bag.
A: Well obviously you're marked at this point. Yes.
T: So then we're at the so when we got home well actually before we got home, like a mile up the road we just see her cat come out of nowhere. It just comes like starts walking towards the road.
A: Okay, I'm about out of time. Is there a bottom line to this story?
T: Okay, the bottom line is that people should like stay away from
A: Spirit bottles.
T: Yeah. Like don't pick up any like that might be have anything to do with spirit because I know there's definitely a spirit at that mound.
A: Alright. Well, you know, there are spirits that normally come in a bottle and some that don't so normally come. East of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hi.
G: Hello.
A: Hello.
G: Yes. I'm calling from Virginia Beach.
A: Virginia Beach.
G: Yes. And I've got a story for you. My father he's dead now but he was a World War II/Korea/Vietnam veteran old school navy. And after he retired in the late '60s he went to work with the CIA/DIA.
A: Yes.
G: And I don't know if you ever heard of him but Commander Richard Marsenko of Seal Team Six. And
A: You know, somehow that's a familiar name.
G: Yes, he dealt with it was classified top secret by the navy, (Vanish?) by the Department of Defense but it was a Red Sail program created under the Reagan administration.
A: Yes?
G: In the '80s and it was it ended in the '90s. He ended up in jail, whatnot, but it was a top secret group.
A: Why did he end up in jail?
G: Well the government went after him. They tried to get him for a lot it was actually a headhunters group but they could only get him on other charges that dealt with abuse of money, etc. But I do have a plant on my left leg. It's like a chip or whatever and
A: You've been implanted?
G: Yes, I have. And a lot of these people that they think are aliens, they're demonized humans.
A: So you think you've been implanted by a demonized human?
G: Yeah, but it's those people with the dark glasses and all that work for the CIA. They're actually there's
A: So they're just they may not exactly be demonized. They may be just like evil humans.
G: If you've ever heard of the New World Order, it's a special top secret order that
A: That what?
G: has to deal with
A: Wants to take over the world?
G: taking over the world.
A: Yeah. Take over the world.
G: And it's not really aliens.
A: And George Bush knows about it as well as that? Right?
G: I have no idea.
A: Oh sure you do. You remember when George Bush talked about the New World Order? Don't you?
G: Yep.
A: You do remember? So if George Bush knows
G: And I've also witnessed
A: then his son knows too, doesn't he?
G: Yeah.
A: And who's his son? None other than the current President of the United States.
G: Well it's
A: And if that's not enough
G: Yeah, I've witnessed this stuff. I mean I'm surprised I'm alive. I believe in guardian angels but I know that they do I've seen a top secret weapon that they have. I've seen a Huey helicopter appear out of the sky.
A: They're not really top secret.
G: It's that porthole that you were talking about. I witnessed it. A friend and I we snuck out of our house one early morning. It was during Desert Storm and we were looking over the water and we started seeing heat flashing and then all of a sudden a static charge and there it came. A Huey helicopter appeared out of the sky, circled around over Broadbay and headed back toward Little Creek.
A: Well that'd do it for you, alright. Well there you have it a strong believer in the New World Order. You know darn well he knew exactly what George Bush said. Just leave me alone. West of the Rockies, you're on the air. Good morning.
O: Hello?
A: Hello.
O: Oh. My name's Albert. I'm in Tacoma.
A: Albert? Alright.
O: Yeah. Back in '97
A: Albert, don't you're dialing there.
O: Oh, that happens with this phone I guess. This happened once during a radio program over this phone.
A: You're pulsing me, Albert.
O: Oh. Well gosh darn it.
A: I can't handle it, Albert.
O: Yeah . . .
A: I'm going to have to move on. First-time caller line, you're on the air.
D: Art?
A: Yes?
D: I don't know what this would go under. This oh well by the way this is Lee from Denison, Texas.
A: Yes, Lee?
D: I don't know I think this is more for "Ghost to Ghost"
A: No, we're not telling ghost stories tonight even though we've had a couple. I'm trying to avoid that. You know, we're sort staying within the limits of electro-magnetic radiation, time stories, encounters with aliens
D: I don't know if this I just want to say I don't know if this would be dimensional because it's not like
A: Well you might slip it under the dimensional label. Let's hear it.
D: Okay. I was like at my aunt's house, you know? And, you know, I was by myself, right? And what had happened, I was sitting in the chair and I was smoking a cigarette and the ashtray on the arm of the chair, right?
A: Yeah.
D: So I get up to go to the bathroom. Now I don't know if this would be missing time and I swear to you I did not do this. I came back from the bathroom and the ashtray was clear across the room on the other end table at the end of the couch. Now I don't know if this would be missing time
A: Was there anybody else in the house?
D: No, I was alone. They had went to Opalocka for Valentine's Day. And I tell you, it was enough to
A: Are you talking about something that just happened?
D: No, this was just before I came to Texas. This was like in
A: Oh I see. Okay, well I mean, after all, it was Valentine's Day, right? So
D: Yeah, I mean yeah, this was about '94.
A: So this would be the anniversary?
D: Right.
A: Okay.
D: I don't know if this would be under missing time but I do know that I don't know how long it was I was in there or what happened but all I know is I came back and it wasn't on the table beside me, it was clear across the room on the table next to the lamp. Clear across the room in front of me.
A: So what do you think happened?
D: What do I think happened? Well I don't want to take up a lot of your time . . .
A: Well it's worth asking. I mean we got the story. What do you think happened? Time went by, the ashtray moved by itself, what?
D: Okay, well I personally think that time went by because the reason I say that is because I don't remember moving it or I don't I mean all I remember is getting up to, you know like say, go to the restroom, and I don't remember anything else. I just came back and it was as if it had been there and I know good and well . . .
A: Well I mean did anything else happen? Like did you have a little beard growth you didn't have before or some way to know that time passed?
D: No. No, I didn't.
A: Well I
D: I feel I was kind of dazed. I mean like I couldn't remember. You know, I remember walking back there and back but I don't remember I don't know. Now, like I say, I was alone and . . .
A: Well the one thing I'd worry about is burning down your house. I mean if the ashtray moved, there could've been a cigarette in it. Think what could've happened.
D: Well I had put it out. I remember that.
A: Yeah, I know but since the ashtrays move, that means somebody you or somebody else smoked another one. They had some need of an ashtray anyway.
D: It must've been somebody else. (small laugh)
A: (small laugh) Well fire safety, sir, at all times. Wild card line (dial tone) you would've been on the air. East of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hello?
S: Good evening or it's morning now, isn't it, Art?
A: It is and we don't have a lot of time so
S: My name is Sandra. I'm calling from Illinois.
A: Hi, Sandra.
S: I have a pathology report that proves that I at one time had two brains.
A: That you had two brains?
S: Yes, sir. I found out I actually broke a Guinness World Book of Records by containing my own twin inside of me for eighteen years.
A: You're kidding?
S: No, I'm not.
A: Oh Sandra you should've called earlier.
S: Oh sir, I've been home with four unexpected children and without a phone and without communications with the outside world for many, many years.
A: Well what happened to your other brain?
S: Well it's in the other side. It was removed by a surgeon and dissected and sent wherever they put the actual material. But as far as its ether. I have a pretty good idea. And
A: So this was actually extracted from you in surgery?
S: Right. It also contained bone and skin and hair cells that continued to develop and divide within me.
A: Boy, some people have alter egos but that's really stretching it.
S: Oh sir, I'm trembling inside with my heart beating can't believe I'm actually speaking to Art
A: You just only
S: who helps us understand that what is, is right.
A: You only have one heart, right?
S: Yes.
A: Okay.
S: Okay.
A: Alright, well listen, you should've called me earlier in the show.
S: I wish I could. I sit here on redial just I can't
A: I mean if you were Rush Limbaugh, you could take half your brain, put it behind you and still have a full brain.
S: Well I have it in black and white and there's me here
A: Send me look. Send me some information. Email it to me, mail it to me something.
S: I'll do my best to
A: I'd like to read about what happened to you.
S: I'm easier going out the window than I am doors but I'll do my best.
A: (small laugh) We'll leave it on that note. Alright, Dr. David Anderson and before him Richard Hoagland tomorrow night. I'm Art Bell. Night all.
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) So I'm sending Art some Email following my call. It's three a.m. at the moment. And my Email says
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Q: Well I've been tinkering with it. It's now 3:24. "Subject: This Morning's Call." Mailed to
artbell@aol.com:
Art,
Following speaking to you this morning, I wanted to clarify my predicament. First of all, I apologize for any misunderstandings we might have shared in the past. My perspective on many things has evolved. What is most clear is that sometimes Spirit gives us the opportunity to share our process of evolution with others as a chance to prove love. It is apparent that you have the capabilities to overcome obstacles where the subject of reporting my experiences is concerned. If you understand these events correctly, I am one of the great many who have faith that you would be capable of helping others to also understand them. I'm available in any capacity to answer questions.
Thanks,
Mark Russell Bell
Q: And I'm going to send it. I think the main thing is the words don't really convey I think just the act of sending the Email is more important than what the words really say even though some of them are important. ("AND I HAVE") I'm tired. I'm not used to staying up this late.
S: Thank you for calling "Coast to Coast A.M." Can I get your first name please?
Q: Yes, it's Mark.
S: Mark?
Q: That's right.
S: Where are you calling from, Mark?
Q: I'm calling from the San Fernando Valley.
S: Alright. Hold on. We'll get you up. ("THANK YOU")
B: . . . And here I am again on "Coast to Coast A.M.," Barbara Simpson. We have a lot of people on the line so let's get to you. San Fernando Valley, which is Los Angeles Mark. (BEEP) Hi, Mark. How are you?
Q: Hi. Very good, Barbara. I wanted to make an observation or share one, rather, about spirituality as a category of discussion on the show ("IS") ties in with that last call because it involves expanding the awareness of others throughout the world and how to do that. Also, regarding that first caller's ancestry, it's interesting to note that one of my ancestors is the Reverend Phillip Allen who was born in Vermont in 1803. But, anyway, what's confusing, I think, having listened to the show recently, because various callers have commented ("TO") Ian and what have you but I think it's what's confusing is how someone can address the topic of personal growth and not make clear that this goal must encompass helping the less fortunate improve their own lives in concrete ways beyond discussing a certain belief system. What I mean is giving back to the world rather than focusing on taking ("FO[R]") one's self. ("SO") In being one of those attempting to make choices from the perspective of walking with Spirit, for me this involves sharing my experiences to heighten the awareness of others. And I think that's really how we can change make changes in how people regard nuclear weapons and some of the other problems. I'm a vegan myself so I'm well aware I'm not at risk for Mad Cow Disease and some of these other things.
B: Do you take vitamins?
Q: Yes, I do.
B: Do you know that those vitamins often have animal products in them?
Q: Well I've tried to check that out.
B: It's hard though, you know? I mean I understand that but it really is very difficult because there are so many times that there are animal products in things that you never even think about.
Q: You never really know and that's
B: Yes.
Q: also why it's so important to expand people's awareness. I mean I get my vitamins at Trader Joe's. ("SO") There are a lot of people who probably get them there.
B: Yeah but
Q: They try to be a little bit more safer.
B: Trader Joe's, you know, that's one chain for those of you who may not be familiar with it ("THAT'S A") very large chain, at least in California. I don't know where else they are ("RIGHT") but certainly they have all kinds of products there and, you know, it's very difficult to know for certain. And even the products may be in vaccines. It may be in medicine. There's a lot of concern. In I think it's Newsweek, isn't it this week?, that has the front the cover story about Mad Cow Disease.
Q: Well and
B: It's a terrible situation. And then you've got the Foot and Mouth Disease in England which is continuing to spread. ("YOU") We have some serious problems out there.
Q: But what I wanted to comment on, basically in trying to do what I'm doing, the media has failed to report about the free testament.org website. But what I want to say, basically, was when Spirit expanded my understanding of life it was through events and not through superficial words so the evidence acknowledging this appointed task includes symbols and metaphors in my daily life, synchronicity, and genealogy. One of my other fa(mily) ancestral lines is the Hitchcock line which basically can be traced back to Edward (I meant Richard) Hiscockes who was born in 1556 in All Cannings, England. And I don't know I haven't heard anyone speak about that particular lineage. It's quite interesting you have the 'his cock.' I don't know if that's Freudian or what.
B: Let me ask you are you related at all to Alfred Hitchcock?
Q: Well I've researched that and, of course, ("I") there's a book called The Dark Side of Genius which has a lot of bell synchronicity chronicled in his own life. He lived in Bel-Air and what-have-you. But there's not a lot known about his genealogy because he came from a very typical poor family and it's usually the wealthy families that you can trace the lineage. Of course, my paternal family line is the Russell family, which has a lot of different spiritual people involved with that.
B: You know what I was thinking? That might be an interesting subject to do some night is just talk about genealogy. On how people can look back and what you can find. ("AND") It really is an enormous movement. I know a lot of my friends are involved in using the Internet to look up family things and
Q: Was I right about your maiden name? I heard that once on your show, I think.
B: I don't think so. I don't think we've ever mentioned it.
Q: On the astrology (I should have said numerology) show. Was it Allen?
B: Uh-uh.
Q: What was it?
B: I don't give it out.
Q: Oh. Okay.
B: No, we were talking about first names but not last names. So ("WOULD YOU") anyway, thank you. I appreciate hearing from you, Mark. And we'll certainly (line disconnected) talk more about that. I think that spirituality is something that we always talk about on this program in one way, shape, form or another because it affects all of us in different ways.
Q: (speaking into the tape recorder) Well the third caller during the first half hour was from Phoenix and talked about researching his family tree. I, of course, was the fifth caller. And now I'm listening to the show on the archive and we'll see if the web address was edited or not. Usually it is and last time it wasn't. We'll see if it was this time.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I RECORDED THE CONVERSATION FROM THE WEBSITE ARCHIVES AND FOUND THAT IT WASN'T EDITED.)
Q: Well that was just awful. When I call, I'm a nervous wreck usually. I mean you can imagine trying to do justice to Mighael and God. I mean I was a nervous wreck. I made a mistake right off the bat. That wasn't the first caller. That was the third caller. Of course, I really couldn't listen carefully when I was dialing. But if I was just a guest on the show, I could be relaxed and calm. I wouldn't have to worry about them cutting me off at any given second before I shared my idea. And plus you really can't think very well sometimes under these circumstances. For example, the vitamins. The vitamins I get are not coated in any way so it's very dubious that there'd be any animal products involved. I just didn't even think about that. I was just waiting to talk about what I wanted to talk about. And, anyway, I'm just not happy. I can't stand listening to myself. I don't have a radio voice. I don't think any radio show hosts have to worry about me taking over their jobs. I guess the best thing I could hope for is having my tapes played on a show at this point. Or have them on the website for people to click on and listen to there. Now and I said astrology show. It wasn't. It was numerology. I just couldn't get it out process it fast enough. I am going to send Email to that guest and see if she remembers the correct name that Barbara had said. I ("SEEM") pretty sure that it was Allen but you heard her response. . . .
Q: Sunday, March 11. Almost four o'clock and I was listening to Tape #675 and I heard a spirit message that said "WHITLEY." So I guess Mighael wants me to call Whitley tonight, which means foregoing my plan to listen to a radio show I heard about on my newsgroup, and instead listening to Whitley and calling in, for some reason. I know he's interviewing the authors of one of the books that he "presents." He's presenting this series of books secret agendas is the theme even though whose agenda is open to interpretation. And it's pretty unethical to have a radio show and present your own books but I don't think I'll get into that. I want to ask him about that earlier Angel Mighael book Testament and see if he's ready to talk about it yet. So we'll see what happens. Calling in is not what I had in mind, needless to say.
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Q: Well I took a shower and it's now past five. I was thinking about maybe playing the spirit message for Whitley to show how the Angel Mighael wanted me or requested me to call. Then I played it again and listen:
Q: (clip) . . . ("WHITLEY") the biggest impression . . .
Q: Did you hear "WHITLEY" before I said "the biggest impression"? So, anyway, I played it back and, listening carefully and rewinding the tape recorder several times, the two unattributed sounds really didn't sound anything like "WHITLEY." It does a little bit. It reminded me of the telepathic component possibly at work with the EVP/spirit message phenomenon. There have been times when I have heard what sounded like a crystal clear message, only to play it back later and to have it sound totally different. And other various similar incidents have been chronicled on various tape sides, I remember. One message was different on different tape recorders as it was being played back. So there does definitely seem to be a telepathic component to the phenomena.
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Q: Well I must say listening to it on the Dictaphone Voice Processor transcribing machine, it does sound definitely like "WHITLEY" but on my Pearlcorder microcassette recorder S713 it just sounds like two electronic sounds close together. Of course, this is magnetic recording tape so everything is reduced magnetically. Anyway, I'm going to try to listen to Whitley at six on my Windows server and we'll see what happens. I don't know what to say. I've said everything I really wanted to say last night. I guess I would say, if I had (to) I guess I would say, "Well, Whitley, are you ready to share your views on that other Angel Mighael book Testament by Mark Russell Bell?"
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S: Thank you for calling "Dreamland." Can I get your first name please?
Q: Yes, my name is Mark.
S: Where are you calling from, Mark?
Q: From the San Fernando Valley.
S: You have a question for Whitley and his guest?
Q: Yes. For Nick.
S: Alright. Alright, hold on. We'll get you up.
W: (spot) This is Whitley Strieber. Join me Sunday nights as we explore the unknown on "Dreamland." Out there is a vast realm of knowledge just waiting to be discovered and forces fighting tooth and nail with only one objective: keeping said information secret. Journey with us as we attempt to uncover the truth that we know is out there by exploring all possibilities every Sunday night on "Dreamland." (end of tape side)
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W: We're back. We've been talking to Dr. Nick Begich about HAARP. We're going to get into HAARP and the weather and your phone calls in just a couple of minutes. Next week we're going to have Janet Thomas, the author of The Battle In Seattle, the story behind and beyond the WTO demonstrations. Those demonstrations were among the most intense in modern times in the United States. The police response to them was among the most astonishingly brutal in the history of this country. Now behind this, a book has been written about it. Let's get into it. Let's understand it. I'm going to ask Janet about the effect of some of these non-lethal weapons on future demonstrations because I will tell you this. This is just a personal opinion. I believe it is quite possible that the day will come in the lifetimes of most of us when our choices will be down to this: take it to the streets or put the Bill of Rights behind us forever. Forever. Will we be able to take it to the streets? Are they not preparing carefully and long in advance to create a situation where we can't. Okay, also next week a fun look Dr. William Alschuler has written The Science of UFOs. It's a really neat book. What if UFOs are real? How would they work? Dr. Alschuler is an astronomer. He's pretty much of a UFO skeptic. We'll ask him about that and if he is a skeptic, we'll find out exactly why he would be, given all of the evidence that he's examined. In any case, it's a fascinating story. How might they work? Also, insights into potential alien motives and alien biochemistry. It's going to be a lot of fun next week. A serious program and a really fascinating program. Okay, in just a couple of minutes, we'll be back with Dr. Nick Begich. He's the author of Earth Rising and Angels Don't Play This HAARP. Angels Don't Play This HAARP is available from Whitley's from (Whitley's website) unknowncountry.com or call (gives number). He's also the distributor of CellGuard. If you don't have CellGuard, you ought to, if you use a cell phone. It's simple to use. It's not expensive. Earth Rising, Angels Don't Play This HAARP. His website is earthpulse.com. Get in to what Dr. Nick's got to offer. Valuable stuff. This is Whitley Strieber. It's "Dreamland." We'll be right back. . . . (commercials) . . . Okay, let's go to the phone. Let's go to Mark in the San Fernando Valley, (BEEP) California. Hi, Mark.
Q: Hi, Whitley and hi, Nick.
N: Hi. How are you?
Q: Hi (or "HI"). Very good. I had an observation and then a question. But I think a lot of these clandestine technologies now being linked with weather and even now with mind control might be obscuring some more obvious facts that the government or special interests might not (want) people to be aware of ("AND")and this has been going on for a long timesuch as the major mind control device being in just about every American home. And that's the television set. But what I would be interested in hearing from you Nick tonight, having heard you in the past on "Coast to Coast" and speaking to Whitley, is some a (or "A") spirit(ual) I think a spiritual interchange. I don't know if you've read Whitley's book The Key but I'd be interested in hearing any viewpoint you have might have on that. And, in fact, Whitley, I'd be interested in hearing where that's concerned if you have any response to the other Angel Mighael book Testament by Mark Russell Bell which is available free on the Internet at testament.org.
W: Okay, the answer to that is I just heard about it for the first time right now. So no I have no comment on it. Nick, what is your response?
N: Yeah, I don't really I'm not familiar with the material. Maybe maybe you could just ask what you're what you're what you're looking for. And maybe I could answer it without having been familiar with that specifically.
Q: (off air) Well, I think whenever you come on (BEEP)
N: Is there something specific that you're looking for an answer on?
Q: Hello?
W: Yeah, can you hear us?
Q: Yes, uh-huh.
W: Okay. What he's asking is this. Is there something specific in, say in The Key that you that sparked the question that he could answer directly because he hasn't read it.
Q: Well ("OKAY") when I heard Nick come on, it's a pretty militaristic collection of data. I'm really looking for where does this military mindset come into play with the spiritual and psychological conditions that people have? I mean to prolong
W: Okay.
Q: this kind of disin ("TT") you know, this campaign?
N: . . . Alright. I think that's a really good question. It comes through more in our writing than in our radio I guess because the questions don't usually get asked that way but on a spiritual level what has bred much of the military technology really is fear and paranoia on the part of the military. Some of it is widely placed on fear but nonetheless fear as a motivator tends to bring out not the best in people and not the best result all of the time. So the technologies tend to get developed along lines of that fear and paranoia breed, which is to protect, limit, to control. And those all of those aspects, which really are sort of the outgrowth of someone's spiritual makeup. On the other side of the issue, and we see this played out politically we see it played out scientifically. There's a sort of other view that says, "Hey, wait a minute. There are certain things that (or "THAT") when it comes to human beings, it comes to our natural environment that we don't do." And it's the idea of stewardship and responsibility towards one another that comes out loud and clear. And I think that what we're facing in this generation, this decade, is choice. Really a choice not about what's good and bad use of the technology but the root choices, good and evil at its core. What we do with our technologies today give us the power to either totally wreck this environment and wreck what remains of human dignity on the planet or to enhance it to a much different level. That is the threshold, that this generation has the responsibility to either move in one direction or another. And whether you look at any of the prophetic traditions, in any prophetic tradition of religion, whether it's American Indian, Mayan, Christian or what-have-you, they all speak about this sort of fork in the road. And we're at that fork . . . Many are very well aware of it. Politically I've said this before. There's no politician I've metand I grew up in a household full of themthat ever existed, that I've ever met, that didn't have a deep spiritual conviction. Once you isolate what that conviction is, you can deduce a great deal about their motives in life and how their public policies . . .
Q: (off air) And I think it should be also said too that when someone
W: I think that's a pretty darn good answer. I don't know if whether the Master of The Key who is the person I had the conversation with in The Key would've answered the same way but one thing he did say was that secrecy was a disaster and (or "AND") a political disaster or words to that effect. And it is certainly true and it's a very sad time in our history I think because the Cold War is over but the secret part, the secret government is just getting bigger and bigger and bigger until now they're finally like abandoning the peace efforts the peace initiative with North Korea so that we will have an enemy that in or(der) because we don't really have any too serious enemies any more. We've got to make (them).
N: You've got to remember too Rumsfeld was one of the people on the committee that recommended missile defense for rogue nations. Korea North Korea targeted as the rogue nation of concern right now. And, you know, it's really the furtherance of economic policy more than anything else. I mean you don't make money (if you) can't sell bombs. If you can't sell bombs, you've got to come up with something new and what's happened in this advanced technology is I mean in a lot of sense, it's pretty exciting. I mean because a lot of this technology could be quite useful in terms of human development. And the problem is the operators and the secrecy syndrome is the root of all of it. I mean that is so right on in terms of the root of the problem. The fact that you can hide and that I'll give you a good example. This is a personal example but I think it's one . . . back in the early '70s, ("NO") my father was on a plane with Congressman Hale Boggs of the United States Housing Authority. Plane disappeared off the radar screen . . . At the time, it was when Watergate had lots of controversy surrounding it. But one of the things that came out years later was apparently a defense intelligence group had made an observation using some new technology available to them at the time where they had located the plane and two people that were supposed to be alive at the site. Interestingly enough, when those telexes were finally revealed to . . . in Washington, all of the names of all of the people involved were blacked out and that they had national security issues.
W: That must've been incredibly painful for you.
N: It is no (or "NO"), I'll tell you when we got this information, it really my mother left politics entirely. She left Alaska at that time. I mean it was really a disheartening event. The fact is those people that came forward, whether they were military intelligence . . . We're the victims of secrecy. Here, you have the fourth most powerful man in the United States, congressman Hale Boggs, traveling with my father, who was the only congressman from Alaska. ("I") They disappear and they're never found. Twenty years later, we find out maybe they could have been. And that they were so paranoid and afraid the adversary would know about our technology . . . that it disappeared off . . .
W: They let them die?
N: Yeah, exactly. In fact, the History Channel is doing something on it that will show sometime I think in April dealing with that whole issue. And what people don't know is Boggs was on the Warren Commission and wanted it reopened. He was also a strong, outspoken opponent of J. Edgar Hoover. And it was J. Edgar Hoover's office, the FBI, that had control of those telexes that contained that information regarding my father's plane. So we know about secrecy. We know what it breeds. And within this democratic republic it breeds bad news. Secrecy is not what American democracy was ever founded under. It was founded on open government (and) participation in that government. In an honest government even if it meant there were some risk to the maintenance facility within that government. And the fact is this government deserves to be rocked and rolled. It's time for some changes and the kind of changes that people are pointing to are exactly the kind of changes that are necessary. And they should happen within a context of peaceful assembly. And now what's being done we're being contained like cattle. I mean even look at the recent sporting events a football game that everybody walking into the stadium was getting their face screened. They can compare it against mug shots, drivers license records . . . Why is that necessary? Why is it necessary to invade the . . .
W: Yeah, that was at the Super Bowl.
N: Yeah, exactly. And here we have again, we spoke about that technology being deployed in that way a year before it happened . . . Jim and I looked at the record, looked at what was coming on, and said, "Hey, it's going to be seen in any major assembly of people." And here it is. And we haven't even seen the beginning of those . . . It's gotten to the point where secrecy and paranoia are driving too much of our public policy. Americans are becoming more transparent and the government is becoming less. We need to be able to look at our government . . . and drive it the way it should be driven according to our values.
W: And yeah. Okay, let's stay with the phones. . . .
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) Well I would've liked to have made a further comment, which would have been: "And when people do things for the government or for special clandestine organizations supporting ("OF") the government these are all evil principalities that don't exist. Just like the corporate system. People are doing things without realizing that they, in fact, are doing something of their own free will. They think, "Well I'm doing it for 'the government' or 'the corporation.' I would not be doing this on my own." When, in fact, you are doing it on your own. That's been a very painful lesson that I, myself, had to learn. And what I'm trying to help others with. I can't believe Whitley said he was hearing about my website and book for the first time after all the Email, the previous calls and not to mention sending the book to him with the especially prepared page of excerpts.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: ON THE FOLLOWING MONDAY NIGHT/TUESDAY MORNING BROADCAST OF "COAST TO COAST A.M." ONE HOUR INTO MARCH 13, 2001, THERE WAS A SATELLITE OUTAGE DESCRIBED BY ART BELL AS "INCREDIBLE HIGH WEIRDNESS," "AN ELECTRO-MAGNETIC ATTACK" AND "I DON'T THINK I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT WAS." IT WAS THE SECOND SATELLITE OUTAGE IN THE HISTORY OF HIS RADIO PROGRAM. AT THE SAME TIME, ART'S LAND TO LAND MICROWAVE-LINKED LOCAL AIR INTERNET SERVICE FAILED. THE PREVIOUS SATELLITE OUTAGE HAD OCCURRED TWO YEARS AGO TO THE DAY WITHIN AN HOUR (MARCH 12, 1999). ON A FOLLOWING SHOW, RICHARD HOAGLAND REMINDED ART THAT FOUR YEARS PREVIOUSLY THE NIGHT OF MARCH 13, 1997 WAS THE OCCASION OF THE PHOENIX LIGHTS AND THE NIGHT OF THE "DEFCON 4" ALERT AT NORAD [AS WELL AS PRESIDENT CLINTON'S LATE NIGHT ACCIDENT].)
A: West of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hello.
Q: Hello, Art.
A: Hi.
Q: Hi, I was thinking tonight while I was listening to Ginny and Diane that phenomena really are symptoms and symbols providing an opportunity to expand one's awareness about each of our ours' most profound relationship, perhaps.
A: Yeah, I guess you could say that. I mean all things that don't kill you make you stronger something like that?
Q: I think they were missing it, though, so Art, you are definitely to radio what Fred Bell is to New Age conventions, I think, by this time.
A: (laughs) I know Fred Bell. (laughs) I'll take that kindly.
Q: Okay. Well have a good evening.
A: (laughs) Alright. You too. See you later. (line disconnected)
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) Well I'm waiting to talk to Matt Drudge. It's Academy Award night. I said I wanted to talk about golden idols.
M: It is Drudge on Sunday night at (gives number twice) on this Oscars night 2001 and, you know, sort of diverting from the regular format. You want me to give you all my good trying to compete with this? You want me to get out here and give you some a prime Drudge reporting in the middle of this? ("THIS") This night of the 60 share or the 50 share? Impossible. And now that I know Whoopi Goldberg isn't on there stinking it up, it's even a bigger audience I predict. Even though none of these films I mean we're sitting here we're sitting on pins and needles. Is it "Gladiator"? Is it "Traffic"? Is it ("TI") "Crouching"? The experience of tonight we will never forget. Until tomorrow. I'm trying to think what won last year. ("WE'RE SITTING IN A") What won last year? Oh "American Beauty" won last year. So you didn't know until I said it, right? Well whatever wins this year, I assure you midweek I'll check with you and you won't know. It's just that kind of year and that's okay. It's the end of an era. We're closing out the American century and this is sort of the last one. Michael Douglas with his face. That's sort of the last face you'll see of the American century. Where it's going nobody knows. ("I") "Town and Country" is the frontrunner for next year looking very, very provocative. Warren Beatty hasn't been this good since "Reds." Or is it what's that comic strip thing he did where he tested every single frame allegedly? "Dick Tracy"? Hasn't been this hot "Town and Country" is going to sweep the Oscars next year. That's my prediction. Sweep 'em. Even Dino De Laurentiis cannot compete with "Town and Country." Opening soon. Mark my words. Let's go to Alabama. John, line four, you're on the air with Drudge.
J: Yeah? Hello?
M: Good evening.
J: Yes, out in Birmingham. I kind of agree with you what you say about Hollywood. I've lived down here for three years working in the entertainment industry and it's like seeing "The Wizard of Oz." You know? You watch "The Wizard of" you want to go there and then you get there and it's like, "Well some guy behind the curtain."
M: (laughs)
J: That's what it is. That's exactly what it is. Like
M: Well, you know, thanks for ruining our night. I was caught up here in the whole fantasy of the evening.
J: Okay. I'm sorry.
M: (laughs) Oh you mean these are real people? ("YEAH") You mean these are real, pathetic people? I thought they were heroes. I thought Russell Crowe was a hero.
J: I've never seen a Russell Crowe movie and when I heard this about the I hear how like he plays this badass and all. Well, somebody's going to kidnap you be one of those badasses . . .
M: Well . . . I smell a publicity stunt on that. You know, there's such little news right now? You can just sneeze and they'll put it on the cover of the National Enquirer or the Star and the Globe. You know, they're all owned by the same person. So you can get in the papers real easy. I'm going to do that. I'm going to start saying the FBI wants is doing a protective order on Drudge. They're threatening to kidnap him. It probably will work.
J: I think
M: And who are these people they're showing in this audience? There's Goldie. Goldie.
J: Is she the next big thing? There's always a chance to come back, you know?
M: "Town and Country" mark my words. Hollywood . . . Thank you, Birmingham. . . . (several calls later) . . . Is 'Best Director' or 'Best Foreign Film' "Crouching"? Still can't tell. They haven't given us enough clues. A little bit for "Traffic." A little bit for "Gladiator." Now a little bit for Lee. Boy, that's going to be quite an ice storm over at the Dreamworks SKG lot if "Crouching" wins after all that money they spent on the "Gladiator" ads in Variety. And Harvey Weinstein won't be sending any boxes of 'chocolat' over there . . . Look at this kung-fu movie. I know it's the "Titanic" of Asia. I know. I know. I've read it all too. I tried. I tried going in the theatre. I couldn't quite do it. I better watch out. Adam's going to call me in for it. I tried to I even went drove by the oh, here's Ben Affleck. They're really rolling out the star power now. They're really rolling it out. Is this the first time he's ever appeared without his sidekick Robin? Matt Damon? (BEEP) . . . Los Angeles, you're on the air with Drudge.
Q: Hi, Matt. I must say I do feel sorry for some of those people celebrating the Oscars tonight. And it is quite fitting that a film set in ancient Rome is being celebrated because I see parallels between contemporary society. I'm not watching television myself
M: Well we're beyond Rome, sir. We're beyond it.
Q: Well
M: Didn't you see Bjork get dressed up as a duck?
Q: No. I personally have chosen not to watch television at all and be a victim of that whole mind control system.
M: (small laugh)
Q: But
M: You've got radio on. We can show you that way.
Q: Well I'm reminded a few weeks ago when you had a caller talk about the parallels in ancient Egypt with the genetics
M: Yes.
Q: going on and now what's happening. And now, of course, back in Rome they celebrated golden idols. And what are those big golden things out (in front) of the so-called 'Shrine' Auditorium in Hollyweird? I mean it's all happening again.
M: Well it's the 73rd time that they've passed this gold to each other. I know I know, I'm with you on some of that. You know when the scaffolding fell outside of the Shrine a funny term "shrine" I put up the Oscar that hadn't been put up yet. It was sort of on its back. A dramatic thing because, yes, this whole thing the music they use, the sort of operatic, sort of angels, no (or "NO"), chanting and these gold statues twirling and people barely keeping their clothes on, people dressing up like ducks, yeah it is kind of weird. I agree with you.
Q: The superficiality is what really disturbs me. And I can feel sympathetic because I, myself, had worked in publicity so I know what kind of I mean they're so enchanted with their wealth and their success and their fame
M: Here's an example. 'J-lo' Jennifer Lopez is on now and she looks like she's wearing about $20 million worth of Harry (Winston) diamonds. J-lo, love don't cost a thing. You taught us that, didn't you? Yeah, you're right, they're very caught up in their materialism, who's wearing what and who's (small laugh)
Q: And it what's sad is that when they come to the eventual realization as they must they'll realize, "Well what have I been doing wasting all my time with all these problems in the world? I've just been ("ON A") on a big ego trip when there are people 25,000 people are starving (to death) every day. And this is how I spend my money? Is that really a good choice?" Instead of who we pretend to be in celluloid and on TV, who are we really? Where does our money go?
M: Well Mark, I'm going to let you go. Thanks for the call. We're sitting here (line disconnected) now Bob Dylan is preaching to us Bob Dylan, ladies and gentlemen. From "The Wonder Boys," "Things Have Changed." The only thing I've seen changed is there's no Whoopi here tonight. And maybe, just maybe there's a breakthrough. Maybe the theme of the evening is that people are getting sick of maintaining airs that Hollywood is well. I mean Bjork showing up as a duck may be a turning point in pop culture. It could be, you know? ("IT IS") Small baby steps. And Steve Martin in his bravo performance just bravo sitting there mocking them. And they're stuck in their seats. Yeah, Tom Hanks, you've got that flop sweat going. This ain't going to be your year for "Cast Away," is it? This ain't going to you're feeling it, right? They just ("CLEARLY") cut to somebody in the audience. They're tearing up because Bob Dylan is telling them to be poor. Let's ream them on something. Bringing them a flashback to when they were all rebels and now they're all conformists. All the rebels look at them now. They're all conformists. They've all become the establishment. And Bob Dylan pouring himself up there used to be anti, used to be the rebel. Now they've all cashed in. Where's the gold? . . .
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) I wish I could've mentioned the fact also that movies definitely are more hype than reality. So, of course, in my metaphorical story that helps others evolve, how fitting it was that I was involved in hype which is the major foundation for these dreams that are shared with so many different people through technology.
M: . . . out on the coast. We gather all for a common love publicity as they flash Julia Roberts's face. How many covers of magazines last week, Julia? How many of them were Warner Brothers Time Warner? All of them? . . .
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